KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 20, 2005 Posted January 20, 2005 His own side does not have the knee-jerk response to trash their own guy, they would turn on him in a second. It took a reactionary conservative like Nixon to open up China, because liberals would too easily have been labeled commie sympathizers. Some reactionary. He seems pretty moderate to me in retrospect. BTW, under whose watch was the EPA and some of that early environmental legislation created? As for a reactionary, how about FDR: he tried to stack the supreme court, interned thousands of Japanese American citizens, established a huge, powerful state bureaucracy... Perhaps Bush could break the logjam by getting something good for the country done like universal healthcare. In other words, become a liberal tax-and-spend big government statist. I can't think of a much worse policy than to go down the universal healthcare road as its proponents plan. What we need to do is honestly evaluate the reasons for the rising costs of health care and address those (and that means rising malpractice costs and tort reform). In general, we need to stop treating symptoms with ever-expensive bandaids, and address the underlying problems. That would be too hard though I guess. Maybe I should embrace the bickering. Deadlock might mean no new taxes and a halt to an exponentially expanding federal government... Quote
Jake Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 to the idea it's lip service. I think it's funny he mentions tolerance of others when any protesters of Bush today were kept far from the eyes of the world in out of the way,special areas behind barricades and police. i also like the fact that only the bush supporting rich,pretty and elite got to line the streets today too. oh and.... Mr. Bush I detect some inacuracies Griz. There were plenty of protestors along the parade route that weren't stuck behind barricades today. They were out holding their signs all over the place. Also, there were plenty of places to see the parade for free along the route without buying a ticket. Tickets for the parade were largely located within a block or two of the White House. The rest was easy access. Viewing for the Inauguration itself at the Capitol was free - one would just need to request a ticket from their member of Congress. Also, keep in mind that this a celebration for Bush. Protest is fine, but remember you can show up on Penn. Ave across from the White House and wave a banner to your hearts content every day of the week. So worrying about the fact that a large protest group was moved 40 yds away from the parade route doesn't register high on my list of concerns. Quote
cj001f Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 In other words, become a liberal tax-and-spend big government statist. I can't think of a much worse policy than to go down the universal healthcare road as its proponents plan. What we need to do is honestly evaluate the reasons for the rising costs of health care and address those (and that means rising malpractice costs and tort reform). In general, we need to stop treating symptoms with ever-expensive bandaids, and address the underlying problems. That would be too hard though I guess. He isn't a tax and spend statist? Creation of the largest US Agency since DOD (Dept of Homeland Security), massive budget deficits, rampant defence spending, social programs to pander to his base (abstinence, faith based crap), did I miss anything? Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 He isn't a tax and spend statist? Creation of the largest US Agency since DOD (Dept of Homeland Security), massive budget deficits, rampant defence spending, social programs to pander to his base (abstinence, faith based crap), did I miss anything? He did cut taxes, but, yes, he does overspend. Universal health care would bring the spending to a whole new level. And taxes would be raised to pay for it. No thanks. Quote
Ricardo_Montalban Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 at least "tax and spend" has some kind of balance. "cut taxes and spend"??? even a 4 year old can tell you that won't last. Quote
Alex Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Remember, he is a lame duck now. He doesn't need to toady to the GOP to get re-elected. Perhaps, just maybe, he will embark on an effort to actually help and strengthen the USA. You've got to be kidding...? The only agenda for the second term iis setting up Jeb Bush - 2008. Mark my words. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Remember, he is a lame duck now. He doesn't need to toady to the GOP to get re-elected. Perhaps, just maybe, he will embark on an effort to actually help and strengthen the USA. You've got to be kidding...? The only agenda for the second term iis setting up Jeb Bush - 2008. Mark my words. I'd be for a constitutional amendment banning family members from eligibility to the presidency within say 20 years. That includes spouses. Quote
griz Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 to the idea it's lip service. I think it's funny he mentions tolerance of others when any protesters of Bush today were kept far from the eyes of the world in out of the way,special areas behind barricades and police. i also like the fact that only the bush supporting rich,pretty and elite got to line the streets today too. oh and.... Mr. Bush I detect some inacuracies Griz. There were plenty of protestors along the parade route that weren't stuck behind barricades today. They were out holding their signs all over the place. Also, there were plenty of places to see the parade for free along the route without buying a ticket. Tickets for the parade were largely located within a block or two of the White House. The rest was easy access. Viewing for the Inauguration itself at the Capitol was free - one would just need to request a ticket from their member of Congress. Also, keep in mind that this a celebration for Bush. Protest is fine, but remember you can show up on Penn. Ave across from the White House and wave a banner to your hearts content every day of the week. So worrying about the fact that a large protest group was moved 40 yds away from the parade route doesn't register high on my list of concerns. good to hear. WTF do i know,i guess? I just listened to NPR today and they painted a different picture about protesters having to sue to be allowed in areas. Not the first time the media creates a different pic than the reality. fuck. Bush can still suck it , though. Quote
cj001f Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 I detect some inacuracies Griz. There were plenty of protestors along the parade route that weren't stuck behind barricades today. They were out holding their signs all over the place. Also, there were plenty of places to see the parade for free along the route without buying a ticket. Tickets for the parade were largely located within a block or two of the White House. The rest was easy access. Viewing for the Inauguration itself at the Capitol was free - one would just need to request a ticket from their member of Congress. Also, keep in mind that this a celebration for Bush. Protest is fine, but remember you can show up on Penn. Ave across from the White House and wave a banner to your hearts content every day of the week. So worrying about the fact that a large protest group was moved 40 yds away from the parade route doesn't register high on my list of concerns. That sounds like someone who's never been to a fucking inaguaration. If you are lucky you might be able to see a pimple that resembles W from 1/4 mile away for free. And the balls, receptions, breakfasts, luncheons, and such where the real business transpires all cost $$$$$. Keep in mind our tax dollars are paying for this shit so every American should be free to do whatever the fuck they please as long as it doesn't endanger the life or limb of anyone else. Quote
Jake Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Sorry cj001f I WAS there. Saw the parade up close. Sat on the platform on the Capitol steps 25 yds away from Bush during the Inauguration. And yes, I was fortunate to be that close, but nevertheless, anyone, if they acted fast enough, could have had a seat on the Capitol lawn. Yes, the balls and other parties cost money, but what do you expect? They just let anybody in for free? The balls were $150. Expensive of course, but if you really want to go, nobody is gonna stop you. You just had to purchase a ticket. Most of the Inauguration is funded by donors, both big and small. The taxpayer did not pay for the balls and parties. Read the link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/inauguration.costs.ap/index.html By the way, I'm all for freedom to do what you want, but be serious. You can't expect to go to a ball or party for free. And protest all you want too - just don't be disrepectful. Quote
Jake Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 By the way Griz, there was one location near the White House where some protesters were kinda pushed into a side street, but they almost seemed to like it there. They were actually dancing in a large circle around about 20 riot gear equipped cops who seemed kinda amused at the whole spectacle. Quote
cj001f Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Sorry cj001f I WAS there. Saw the parade up close. Sat on the platform on the Capitol steps 25 yds away from Bush during the Inauguration. And yes, I was fortunate to be that close, but nevertheless, anyone, if they acted fast enough, could have had a seat on the Capitol lawn. Yes, the balls and other parties cost money, but what do you expect? They just let anybody in for free? The balls were $150. Expensive of course, but if you really want to go, nobody is gonna stop you. You just had to purchase a ticket. Most of the Inauguration is funded by donors, both big and small. The taxpayer did not pay for the balls and parties. Read the link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/inauguration.costs.ap/index.html By the way, I'm all for freedom to do what you want, but be serious. You can't expect to go to a ball or party for free. And protest all you want too - just don't be disrepectful. 25yds away? Those aren't public seats to my memory. Lucky you. As for the public - 400 seats/Senator, 200/representative. I'm sure they give all of those to the public The taxpayers do pay - just not directly. They pay for the distorted policies bought by lobbying at those events. Quote
Jake Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 You're right, they weren't particularly public seats. That's why I said I was fortunate. However, the seats allotted to Congressman and Senators do go to the public. A few may be saved for friends, but the VAST majority go to those who request them. I'm frustrated with government and politics too. However, this is how the system works - for better or worse. It doesn't matter which party is in control. Lobbyists still show up and try to influence people no matter what. Quote
Squid Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Yes, the balls and other parties cost money, but what do you expect? They just let anybody in for free? The balls were $150. Expensive of course, but if you really want to go, nobody is gonna stop you. You just had to purchase a ticket. By the way, I'm all for freedom to do what you want, but be serious. You can't expect to go to a ball or party for free. And protest all you want too - just don't be disrepectful. Fuck yeah, Jake! Freedom ain't free, motherfuckers! Loser fucking liberals want equal access- for free? Bullshit! Cry me a fuken river, cocksucker crossdressers! Loser fuken Seattle with drippy bike-riding hippies. America is the land of the free, so love it or leave it. You're free to buy whatever you want here, not like socialist backasswards Canada. If you don't love it, then don't let the door smack your ass on the way out!!! Quote
Dru Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Freedom is free of the need to be free. Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within. Quote
cj001f Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Free your mind and your ass will follow. Someone's been watching too much Spongebob! Quote
Dechristo Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Freedom is free of the need to be free. Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within. Yes, this is the most important of freedoms, but it differs from societal freedom. Most only know freedom and peace within themselves on a circumstantial and conditional basis believing they must fight for circumstances and conditions in society conducive to their experience of freedom and peace: a vain endeavor toward a mythical utopia. It's my experience that those who promulgate effusively freedom, peace, and tolerance own it themselves within narrow confines only. It is foundational to an answer of the ubiquitous question "Why can't we all just get along". Quote
Ricardo_Montalban Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Sorry cj001f I WAS there. Saw the parade up close. Sat on the platform on the Capitol steps 25 yds away from Bush during the Inauguration. And yes, I was fortunate to be that close, but nevertheless, anyone, if they acted fast enough, could have had a seat on the Capitol lawn. Yes, the balls and other parties cost money, but what do you expect? They just let anybody in for free? The balls were $150. Expensive of course, but if you really want to go, nobody is gonna stop you. You just had to purchase a ticket. Most of the Inauguration is funded by donors, both big and small. The taxpayer did not pay for the balls and parties. Read the link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/inauguration.costs.ap/index.html taxpayers footed the bill for security...not a small sum Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 taxpayers footed the bill for security...not a small sum As they did for Clinton twice, as well as for every public appearance he made across the United States and the world. No small sum there either. Get a grip already people. Quote
Ricardo_Montalban Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 As they did for Clinton twice, as well as for every public appearance he made across the United States and the world. No small sum there either. Get a grip already people. no shit turbo. they do this for every fuckin president. no one's playing the blue/red card on this one. breath deep aaaahhhh...relaaaaax Quote
murraysovereign Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 From what I heard, the security bill was passed off onto the residents of DC, something like $16 million. I can understand the locals being a bit pissed at having to cover the cost of the doormen and bouncers whose primary function is to keep those same locals away from someone else's party, and having to do it every four years. Quote
Dru Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 Norwegians confused by Bush family's 'Satanic salute' during inauguration OSLO, Norway (AP) - President George W. Bush's "Hook 'em, 'Horns" salute got lost in translation in Norway, where shocked people interpreted his family's hand gesture during his inauguration as a salute to Satan. That's what it means to the Nordics when you throw up the right hand with the index and pinky fingers raised, a gesture popular among heavy-metal groups and their fans in the region. "Shock greeting from Bush daughter," a headline in the Norwegian Internet newspaper Nettavisen said above a photograph of Bush's daughter Jenna, smiling and showing the sign. For Texans, the gesture is a sign of love for the University of Texas Longhorns, whose fans are known to shout out "Hook 'em, 'Horns!" at sporting events. Bush, a former Texas governor, and his family made the sign to greet the Longhorn marching band as it passed during the inaugural parade through Washington during Thursday's festivities, Norway's largest newspaper, Verdens Gang, explained to its readers Bush is the Anti Christ Quote
cj001f Posted January 21, 2005 Posted January 21, 2005 From what I heard, the security bill was passed off onto the residents of DC, something like $16 million. I can understand the locals being a bit pissed at having to cover the cost of the doormen and bouncers whose primary function is to keep those same locals away from someone else's party, and having to do it every four years. Not to mention DC doesn't have self government - Congress must approve the budget, among other wonderful controls. Thanks Newt, Bob Barr and the Republican Revolution Quote
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