Fence_Sitter Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 i puled this off of adbusters.com sent chills down my spine... America When I think of America and this summit, I will always remember a single moment. No, it isn't Colin Powell looking almost frightened as his speech was disrupted again and again by angry, shouting delegates, many of them his fellow Americans. It isn't the American delegation's breathtaking arrogance as they declared the US the world nation most committed to sustainability. It isn't their rejection of the Kyoto Protocol, or their refusal to accept real targets for renewable energy, or even their long fight against a fixed goal for supplying the world's poorest people with clean water. None of these. What I'll always remember is driving through Johannesburg, listening to talk radio. A stream of angry callers was denouncing the US, but one in particular stood out. It was a man's voice, calm, accented with Zulu. Here's what he said: "It is high time that the rest of the world declared war on the United States." Quote
Geek_the_Greek Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 Bah, troll for the typical tired arguments between flag-waving patriots and lefty US-apologists. This should be in spray. Doesn't send chills down my spine. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 Well I have been to several nations in Africa and I saw the anger towards the US. In reality it mostly seemed that ideas and thoughts were funneled through these minds with the negativity to the US. If they want to fight then bring em on and "let's start a war" as quoted by The Exploited. S Africa has some the most powerfull and destructibe tanks on that continent. Posssibly advanced enough to rival the M1. But the numbers dont match. Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted September 7, 2002 Author Posted September 7, 2002 yah but the thing that gets me is that more and more countries are getting fed up with our shit... true every counrty has its faults...but propaganda or not the nations of the world are pissed at us and i dont care what kind of weapons we have hidden here we cant fight them all... and greek...go fuck your self you puss Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted September 7, 2002 Author Posted September 7, 2002 yah and a lot of good a tank is gonna do em with a whole lotta ocean between us adn them... Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 Well if they get real angry then they will find a way. I'm not worried. If people hate us then I'm ready to defend. Quote
Fence_Sitter Posted September 7, 2002 Author Posted September 7, 2002 we shoudl be like that country...i think it is sweden and every man is in t "military" and has his own full auto... [ 09-06-2002, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Fence Sitter ] Quote
sexual_chocolate Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: [QB] If they want to fight then bring em on and "let's start a war" as quoted by The Exploited. QB] Who was Exploited quoting? Fear? Quote
allison Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 No, Fear was 'let's have a war, so you can go die.' And while I sort of appreciate Red Monk's sentiments here, he is young, and has a lot to learn. A better song from the same era: Dead Kennedys, "Kill the Poor" Quote
salbrecher Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I'm not worried. If people hate us then I'm ready to defend. How unamerican .Better grab your gun then soldier. Quote
allthumbs Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 I could care less what the world says about America. I think it's high time we quit babysitting and bankrolling the world. Fuck em' all .... let's just worry about ourselves and only our most loyal, steadfast allys. My guns are loaded and ready. Quote
Jonathan Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 While we know that there are folks out there who don’t like America’s government and Americans, from the exotic Osama bin Laden to our homegrown, corn-fed Timothy McVeigh, let’s put the quote into perspective. Two words, amigos y amigas: talk radio. It’s doesn’t exist to nurture thoughtful discussion designed to enlighten and broaden the mind, but to shock with extremely polemic statements. The show’s moderators and gatekeepers see to that. It’s what the audience wants, it’s what the advertisers and underwriters want. And it’s certainly fun to be the one who utters dramatic statements, eh? Makes one feel all puffy and important. Witness my next paragraph. Yup, there are those who are out to get us, but that’s always been the case and as we segue from Republic to Empire, it’s the price we’re going to pay. Just desserts? You decide, gentle reader. Gawd, I miss the commies! Double gawd, I’ve been sucked into the vortex of chatting on cc.com! Aiiiiieeeeeeeee! Is there no 12 step program? Jonathan Quote
salbrecher Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 quote: Originally posted by trask: I could care less what the world says about America. I think it's high time we quit babysitting and bankrolling the world. Fuck em' all .... let's just worry about ourselves and only our most loyal, steadfast allys. My guns are loaded and ready. Did you ever think that America is bankrolling and babysitting the world because they are worrying about themselves. Trade partners, allies, foreign markets and the such would be lost. America would suffer just as bad as the countries affected. So go ahead.....MAKE MY DAY Quote
allthumbs Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 I don't buy that theory. Other than possibly oil (which we have a shitload of ourselves), what could we possibly REALLY need from abroad? Quote
thelawgoddess Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 great cheese, superb wine, and more places to ski and climb. Quote
sk Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 I worked in a smal clothing store for 4 years. we sold all cotten clothes that were made in the US, and that was one of our main selling points because it is so rare and expensive to find clothing made in the US. so I guess my question isn't so much what do we need from other countries? but more, what are we willing to do for ourselves? Quote
allthumbs Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 My answer to you SK, is we relearn to do for ourselves. Time for the rebirth of America. I think if we'd quit meddling in the third world's business, they'd lose the hardon they have for us now. Let's take care of our own and quit worrying about everybody else. Fuck the middle east...let em' blow the shit out of each other. May the best man win! Quote
Geek_the_Greek Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 Try forest products....(that is, wood & paper, most of which is imported from Canucks and others). Or, we could just use less.... ...yeah, like that'll happen! I don't see a lot of bananas (most popular fruit in the US) grown here, either, but presumably they would be easier to do without. The US economy would quickly collapse without the global network. If overseas investment in the US alone ended suddenly, it would send businesses spiralling to destruction here. It would be the end of society as we know it! Yay! Quote
sk Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 I agree to a certin extent. I for one would like to see manufacturing companies move back to the US and employ people here at as fair wadge. I would like to see people able to aford the clothes, cars, and other things that they make... back to the ideal that Henry Ford set out to make happen. Quote
Geek_the_Greek Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 Yeah, but I think Ford was wrong on that one. I believe he said that the economy would not survive if workers couldn't afford the products that they were making. I don't know why he said this - would the workers revolt? That's exactly what is happening in many parts of the world - workers are making shoes, clothes, toys, computer chips, etc. that they cannot afford themselves. Quote
sk Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 ya and look at what is happening to our econamy Quote
allthumbs Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 i spose' you're right; best leave it to the boys in the think tank Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 "great cheese, superb wine, and more places to ski and climb." Manchego, Primitivo, Siurana (presumably). Viva! Quote
thelawgoddess Posted September 7, 2002 Posted September 7, 2002 yeah; who needs bananas. mangos, though, are a whole different story! Quote
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