nolanr Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 Okay, here's the deal. A buddy of mine got invited along w/ some acquantainces who won the lottery and have permits into the Enchantments for several days next week. I'm going to try to join them, get a day of permit at the Ranger Station. I called today, it sounds like it's pretty much of a crap shoot, especially as you get closer to the weekend. So I'm kinda curious ...if I don't have a permit and I head up there anyway and camp w/ the guys who do have permits, what's the likelihood any backcountry Forest Freddies are going to be prowling around up there looking at everyone's permits. Caveman, you've been up there quite a bit, have you ever had any problems w/ this sort of thing? Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 nolanr, I have never seen a ranger back there past 5 miles. I recommend the Snow Creek trail. Also recommend bivying away from the trail more than 400 meters or so. They WILL TICKET YOU. is all I can say. If you want specifics send me an email (rayborbon@hotmail.com). I feel more comfortable relaying good info personally for various reasons. Beta is good and they never fill their quoats anyway. Half the people leave and never make it all the way back there.......... Either way chances are that you will not be bothered... Quote
fredrogers Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 Also- watch as you come out of the trail into the Snow Creek Parking lot. I've had some close calls with the Rangers checking permits (and parking passes)- so if Freddie's there- move quick to the car and haul ass out of there. It also helps if you don't look you've been in *overnight*- put your thermarest inside your pack and say you were up at Snowcreek Wall. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 Tell the ranger you are with the Mountaineers and he will understand why you have a huge pack for a day trip to SCW. "A Thermarest is the 11th Essential, I swear!" Quote
fredrogers Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Greg W: Tell the ranger you are with the Mountaineers and he will understand why you have a huge pack for a day trip to SCW. "A Thermarest is the 11th Essential, I swear!" That would mean that there had to be at least six of you together though... And I thought the thermarest was the 12th essential, right after the REI insulated altte mug. Quote
rcaaia Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 2 years ago, when the weather was so bad that there were only 2 small parties up there, we had our permit checked twice. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rcaaia: 2 years ago, when the weather was so bad that there were only 2 small parties up there, we had our permit checked twice. In the Enchantments basin or at/near the trailhead? Quote
MtnGoat Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 why don't you just have them add you to their permit when they get it? party sizes of up to 8 are ok. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 3, 2002 Posted July 3, 2002 Look disheveled and slightly imbalanced and tell the ranger you were attacked by snafflehounds. Quote
rcaaia Posted July 4, 2002 Posted July 4, 2002 We were checked once in the lower basin (Leprechaun Lake) and once in the upper basin. Both times we were away from our tent. Quote
nolanr Posted July 5, 2002 Author Posted July 5, 2002 Hmmm, interesting. So does Larry the Tool hang out at the Snow Creek TH all day waiting to bust some ass so he can meet his quotas? Maybe I'll take a whole backpack full of snafflehounds w/ me so that I can have them attack me at any moment. They would probably double for bivi gear, too. Quote
Dennis_Harmon Posted July 6, 2002 Posted July 6, 2002 Don't go up there! It is too high and you'll fall off and die and your mother will cry. Dennis Quote
Dennis_Harmon Posted July 6, 2002 Posted July 6, 2002 O.K. Here is the deal, guys. Just got off the phone with a USFS operator (wanted to speak with a real ranger but was told that they're all gone) out of the Leavenworth office inquiring why in the world I have to pay for back-country and parking permits to access my own property. I was told to contact my congressman. Dennis Quote
texplorer Posted July 6, 2002 Posted July 6, 2002 That's encouraging Dennis, That means enough of us are pestering them for them to immediately refer us to our congressman. I guess if we pester him enough maybe he'll be tired of our yappin and get something done. or maybe rates will just go up. Quote
texplorer Posted July 7, 2002 Posted July 7, 2002 So when Larry "the tool" comes up and asks for your permit that's when you pull out your .45 mag and say, "I got your permit right here." Try it and see what happens. Quote
Dru Posted July 8, 2002 Posted July 8, 2002 quote: Originally posted by texplorer: So when Larry "the tool" comes up and asks for your permit that's when you pull out your .45 mag and say, "I got your permit right here." Try it and see what happens. Offer a bribe - some horsecock, maybe. Or: "Hey Ranger if you go away I won't take these stinky boots off...." Quote
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