catbirdseat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Uri Geller says he hypnotized Michael Jackson three years ago. That's how he knows. Well if a reliable mystic like Uri says so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 i aint no lawyer. but i think that shizzle may be considered 'hearsay'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I'm sure that two good liberals, like yourselves, are willing to hear all the evidence that is presented in open court before convicting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Either way, after the trial he's going to disneyland bwahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 I'm sure that two good liberals, like yourselves, are willing to hear all the evidence that is presented in open court before convicting him. Fairweather, you must have the day off. You are right, he needs to be tried in court, but we can still have our fun with him. He's the one putting on the spectacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 True to all. The only thing certain is that Michael has some big 'issues', and I would not want my kids around the guy. But these things don't a guilty man make. Â OJ Simpson: Probably guilty as hell....but found not guilty in court. Then he was re-tried in civil court, his assets siezed, his children taken away. This case changed the way I view the justice system. Double jeopardy does, in fact, exist in this country. If the media circus or the government wants to convict you badly enough, "not guilty" doesn't mean shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr666 Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 He's as innocent as OJ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 governor material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 OJ Simpson: Probably guilty as hell....but found not guilty in court. Then he was re-tried in civil court, his assets siezed, his children taken away. This case changed the way I view the justice system. Double jeopardy does, in fact, exist in this country. If the media circus or the government wants to convict you badly enough, "not guilty" doesn't mean shit. The fifth amendment says, "...nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb...". It doesn't say "property". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I am not a lawyer, but if OJ was found not guilty of the act, then how could he possibly be culpable civilly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I think there isn't as high a burden of proof for civil stuff, but you should ask a lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman_Clyde Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 In a civil case you only need a majority of jurors, not a unanimous verdict, and the standard is " a preponderance of the evidence", not "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr666 Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So basically, to lock someone up you need to prove the "facts," otherwise to get money from someone in a civil charge just convince a few people that the "facts" could of happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 So basically, to lock someone up you need to prove the "facts," otherwise to get money from someone in a civil charge just convince a few people that the "facts" could of happened? Yes, that is why we have lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRoark Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So basically, to lock someone up you need to prove the "facts," otherwise to get money from someone in a civil charge just convince a few people that the "facts" could of happened? Â I think the rules of evidence for criminal cases are just held to a much higher criteria than civil cases. Possibly due to the severity of crimes they deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr666 Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So basically, to lock someone up you need to prove the "facts," otherwise to get money from someone in a civil charge just convince a few people that the "facts" could of happened? Â I think the rules of evidence for criminal cases are just held to a much higher criteria than civil cases. Possibly due to the severity of crimes they deal with. Â So if I make up some story that you really don't have an alibi for, I can sue you for millions of dollars!!! Anyone know a laywer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehead Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Yeah, and I'd countersue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 i always take the word of a hypnotist over evaluating all the evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRoark Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So basically, to lock someone up you need to prove the "facts," otherwise to get money from someone in a civil charge just convince a few people that the "facts" could of happened? Â I think the rules of evidence for criminal cases are just held to a much higher criteria than civil cases. Possibly due to the severity of crimes they deal with. Â So if I make up some story that you really don't have an alibi for, I can sue you for millions of dollars!!! Anyone know a laywer? Â Hire Mattp. I'll be your witness. What did they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Are justice system is so screwed, don't try and comprehend it. Like poor Michael for instance. He'll probably get the best lawyer that money can buy and then get his trial dropped down to Juvenile court and plead guilty. Â He'll be sentenced to several years behind bars with little boys and be happier than any neverland "expansion" could've ever made him. Â For all you posting on here, be careful what you say about him in public, He used to be black, so you could be labled a racist. You don't want to make Mr. T mad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 tonya harding and michael jackson are forming a horse racing syndicate. tonya will do the handicapping and michael will ride the three year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 3rd time that has been posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 3rd time that has been posted nah. its only ice cream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 How about Kobe Bryant? I just saw on the news that he has lost his $$12million McDonald's sponsorship contract and will likely lose others. The guy hasn't even been tried yet...and is likely innocent, IMHO. But the media has him both tried and convicted. Don't you all think there is a pattern here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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