Billygoat Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 money is not wealth Speaking of money, time to get back to work! Thanks for evaporating a few billable hours with me... Quote
scrambler Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Wealth as I understand it is raw materials combined with labor to make something useful. Money is created when people borrow it. More simply put, money is a means to repay debt because there isn't enough raw materials and labor to do so. Basically Greenspan is saying that the emperor is wearing no clothes when he say things like "Irrational Exuberance". Of course, he used to read a lot of Ann Rand too. So, ok. Money is a medium of exchange. As I understand the US dollar, the value of it is backed by property. If you print too many dollars, this is inflationary and the value of the dollar declines in its purchasing power. Seems the flow of money is essential, keeps the ball afloat, when it stops then the thing comes crashing down. And, the idea of interest (e.g., interest bearing) depends on the existence of a future where transactions continue to occur so the idea of stability (economic/political) is crucial to the maintenance of the monetary system. With electronic transactions, seems real money has gone the way of the dinosaur rather its a virtual ledger that keeps score of the flow of money (little bits of congealed power). Quote
lI1|1! Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 I would like to see capitalism recognize the health of communities, the people and ecosystem, as wealth. we're so fawking liberal dood. it all has a price tag. Quote
Dru Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Love of and devotion to one's country. can you be a patriot for more than one country at a time? http://www.igali.com/ Quote
HRoark Posted January 13, 2004 Author Posted January 13, 2004 I love my country the way I love my family. Not because it's better than others, but because I know it. I feel comfortable disagreeing with family members and don't have to chestbeat to prove I'm a part of it. And that, my small-minded trolling fuckwad friend HRoark, is patriotism. I don't see why we can't have a nice discussion and debate. If you would like to call me names, let's do it in person. I have given no opinion or taken no stance in this thread. Roark Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 I think HRoark has done a really nice job with this thread. He wants to keep it on track. Quote
Dave_Schuldt Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Thomas Pane Quote
HRoark Posted January 13, 2004 Author Posted January 13, 2004 Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Thomas Pane He ought to know; if I remember correctly Thomas Payne WAS rather a scoundrel until he got lucky with a few printed broadsides. Quote
scrambler Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Samuel Johnson is the actual source of the quote and I believe he was referring not to patriotism per se but rather to false patriotism. Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. Thomas Pane He ought to know; if I remember correctly Thomas Payne WAS rather a scoundrel until he got lucky with a few printed broadsides. Payne was a British ne'er do well who emigrated to America only one year before he wrote the pamphlet Common Sense. Quote
nonanon Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 "Dr. Johnson says that patriotism is 'the last refuge of a scoundrel' . With all respect to that enlightened but inferior lexicographer, it is the first!" - "The Devil's Dictionary", Ambrose Bierce(sp?) I think the gov't is almost completely fucked up right now, but I still get chills during the National Anthem. Anybody saying I’m not patriotic can eat my star spangled shorts. Quote
sk Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 money is not wealth Speaking of money, time to get back to work! Thanks for evaporating a few billable hours with me... as much as on one hand this is totaly true... it brings to mind an Everclear song "you have never had the joy of a welfare Christmas" Quote
minx Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 are there any great canadian patriots or are you folks just stuck up there together by default? Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 no. they are all hells angels' patsies. Quote
Dru Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 didn't you see the link to www.igali.com what is Canadian patriotism? I was hitch hiking through New Zealand and got dropped in Paeroa around 10 PM. It was dark so I figured I'd bivi in the town park for the night. went to get dinner at a little fish n chip shop that was open. Walked in the door and someone said "you have MEC gear. Are you from Canada?". Yes, I was. So they bought me dinner Quote
nonanon Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 "Canadian patriotism?" Ask an ex-pat American... Quote
minx Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 nope...sorry. i have the attention span of a gnat and lost full attention to this thread a page or so ago. hmmm...when i was in france some folks thought i was swedish and bought me a cup of coffee Quote
lummox Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 hmmm...when i was in france some folks thought i was swedish and bought me a cup of coffee that sparks intrigue in me as to what you must look like. i mean beyond 'swedish'. Quote
minx Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 rather ordinary and not as swedish as i used to look. Quote
lummox Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 rather ordinary and not as swedish as i used to look. ah baby you know you are talkin 'understatement'. i bet you are looking super fine. Quote
allthumbs Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 i bet you are looking super fine. she looks very fuckable, dude Quote
minx Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 awww trask, you say the sweetest things. when are we having lunch again? Quote
Doctorb Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Putting Dick Cepek "Monster Mudders" on my jacked-up Ford F350 was perhaps my proudest moment as an American. I just about wept, I was so proud. Quote
Doctorb Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Nothing says "I Love America" like a jet ski. I use my jet ski to spell out "I Love America" every time I'm out enjoying nature. Quote
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