EWolfe Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Yeah, a few 3/8" X 3" bolts are such a huge impact next to this ( an example): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 MisterE said: Yeah, a few 3/8" X 3" bolts are such a huge impact next to this ( an example): An asshole is an asshole, no matter how small, no matter how large. Mister E, I'm personally embarassed for you. You call as your friend a guy who leaves a trail of trash in the mountains. These bolts are evidence of a cowardly ascent, nothing more, nothing less. Instead of advising him to minimize his impact and just top-rope his 40-ft project, you attempt to justify his actions by pointing out another, larger intrusion on the mountain landscape. "Shouldn't we worry about something else? Don't my buddy's transgressions pale in comparison to these chairlifts?" To your questions I would answer with a set of new questions: "Shouldn't we be concerned about both transgressions? Shouldn't a mountain climber hold himself to a higher ethical standard than a developer/profiteer?" A bigger evil on the right does not excuse a smaller evil on the left. Please, gentlemen, put on your thinking caps before you enter these discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Szyjakowski said: chriminey pope. why do you really care if they bolt these little roadside chosspiles... they're in the mountains you say but really if being in the mts entitles being so close to road for you....i am sorry for you. like rat said go climb somewhere else. sacrificing these zones for such puny contrivant climbs does not hinder you in any one way so stfu. I am embarassed to call myself a climber when the public associates a once noble tradition with this brand of horseshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I'm generally embarassed to call myself a climber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 In Britain they are crusading against top roping because excess top roping destroys routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 Yeah, shut up Pope, or this little grandpa's gonna kick your ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 mattp said: Pope thinks he has to take every possible opportunity to get on his soap box and cry "HEY EVERYBODY - LOOK AT ME." A discussion of whether bolted mixed routes are a good or bad phenomenon or where and when they may be OK would be fine but he takes over a thread that was not about stylistic or environmental issues and spews the same old diatribe ... and then he tries to tell us what a hero he is because he is standing up for what's right in the world and kids these days would have no access to Pope's truth if he wasn't here to save us... Pope says: This is an incredibly juvenile statement, even for you Mr. MattP. Obviously lacking anything substantial to contribute, and keeping in form with Erik, Cracked, Glasgow, et al. (nice company you keep there), you decide to attack me. "HEY...LOOK AT ME" is your suggestion that I'm looking for attention instead of expressing an honest opinion. And then you suggest that I'm making myself out to be a hero, the last guy standing up for what's right in the world, when in fact I was simply answering Rat's advice that we should "let Rome burn". Perkins, I expect better of you. Please return control over this discussion to climbers who want to go climbing. If anyone wants to start a thread about the morality of bolting mixed climes, start one. But Pope has played his hand way too many times. How 'bout you limit yourself to like one a month or one every two months, Pope? Otherwise, it's just plain obnoxious. Pope says: Or how about this: the moderators might wish for once to do their jobs and edit/clean up the insulting and threatening language that pervades responses made by at least one contributor to this thread. Instead, you edit (and even ban) contributions from those who disagree with your viewpoints. LAME! And I kow that this is exactly what you're doing when you suggest that I voluntarily limit my anti-bolt comments to once a month. Next you'll publicly announce that maybe Pope needs to be banned since he can't control himself. In the mean time, guys like Glasgow will go on inviting me to come to Bellingham and find out who the real man is....and the moderators here will do nothing about it. LAME! You accused me of hi-jacking the conversation, of turning this into another anti-bolt "rant". Think about it. Who is using all of the insulting language? Who is making threats? Who is emotionally ranting about this issue? Not I...not even close. Also, posting one comment about questioning the appropriateness of bolting these top-rope climbs does not constitute "hi-jacking" a thread. You will notice that many, many people are interested in voicing opinions and it is not all one sided. We have several contributors from both perspectives. And what, Mr. MattP, is your problem with that? Is it only that perspectives contained in this thread don't agree with your own? What's the trouble? If you're really annoyed, you could choose to pass. Instead, you have to add your opinion (all the while hiding behind that corny, annoying St. Nicholas image...ho ho ho) the sum total of which is an insult to me. LAME^2
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