RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Oh yeah right...back to our regularly scheduled PRO-bolt spew! BOLTS FRICKIN' tradsters can kiss my Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 yo-yoing bolt clipping prana wearing flamer chris charma poster having dred wearing vw van driving pansies can Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Hippy stinky trad geek w/ polypro fuzzy knee knickers showin' under their frayed cut offs...sketchin' over that RP infested shrubby, mossy ass-groove of a "route" checkin' in at the mighty 5.6 level... Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 pink fuzzy chalk bag carrying, corona drinking, trustafarian, wire brush carying pussified molly hater!!! Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 mighty 5.6 level that's index 5.6... bitch. Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 incense burnin' vw-bus drivin', hand-tapin', gear rattlin' (cowbell hexes and all!), thrutchin', spewin', nature lovin', tree huggin' vegetarian-tofu-tofurkey eatin' tradster-punter.... Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: mighty 5.6 level that's index 5.6... bitch. big deal...that converts to 5.12+ at squamish! Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: nuff said Good times!! Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: nuff said Good times!! Quote
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: scott_harpell said: nuff said Good times!! It's a god damned clearcut! [pollstart] [polltitle=good times?] [polloption=recreational opportunity] [polloption=moral outrage ] [pollstop] Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 notice the shorts over polypro. Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Ex trad climber...he's not fully indoctrinated yet... Quote
Distel32 Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 pope said: A few people do establish routes on rap and do a nice job, and I've agreed with that point many times. But in general, too many rap-bolted routes turn out to be low-adventure, low challenge, unaesthetic bolt trails. If we were to agree that placing bolts should be done on the lead, and if we could get everybody on board, a crisis like what we witnessed in Vantage would never happen again. Too many rap bolted sport routes are low adventure low challenge?? HAHAHA my friend you have not been climbing enough sport! either that or you are climbing 5.14. That statement cannot be taken seriously be anyone unless you are climbing sport routes all over the world and all grades, from 5.5 to 5.15. Poor argument Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Distel32 said: pope said: A few people do establish routes on rap and do a nice job, and I've agreed with that point many times. But in general, too many rap-bolted routes turn out to be low-adventure, low challenge, unaesthetic bolt trails. If we were to agree that placing bolts should be done on the lead, and if we could get everybody on board, a crisis like what we witnessed in Vantage would never happen again. Too many rap bolted sport routes are low adventure low challenge?? HAHAHA my friend you have not been climbing enough sport! either that or you are climbing 5.14. That statement cannot be taken seriously be anyone unless you are climbing sport routes all over the world and all grades, from 5.5 to 5.15. Poor argument Come on Luke...Look at realization, that thing is a low adventure bolt trail...absolutely positively has nothing going for it.... Quote
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 You may think Pope's statement is kind of silly in how he dismisses an entire genre, but he has made a statement that I at least in part agree with: too many sport climbs DO end up lacking in adventure and aesthetics (of course thre are plenty of trad climbs that lack these attributes as well, and there are plenty of sport climbs that in my estimation have both adventure and aesthetic appeal). But if one complains that any climb is too low-challenge, they simply don't know how to read a guidebook rating or they aren't pushing themself. Pope may say sport climbing doesn't offer (him) the challenge that he wants, but he can't claim it doesn't offer a challenge. Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Distel32 said: Low adventure: Low Challenge: HAHAHAHAHAHA...what a wuss!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...Guess the ol' tag team of Pope/Dwayner/Squaw will show those lads how to "climb" w/ style! Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: Now there is a statement that I kind of agree with: at least the low-adventure and unaesthetic part. Too many sport climbs DO end up that way (of course thre are plenty of trad climbs that lack these attributes as well, and there are plenty of sport climbs that in my estimation have both adventure and aesthetic appeal). But if one complains that they are low-challenge, they simply aren't pushing themself. Pope may say sport climbing doesn't offer (him) the challenge that he wants, but he can't claim it doesn't offer a challenge. instead of challenge try commitment... mabe this is a more accurate word. Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Not everyone digs commitment, and alot of people enjoy challenge...why does it have to be all one way or all the other???????? Quote
pope Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: Distel32 said: pope said: A few people do establish routes on rap and do a nice job, and I've agreed with that point many times. But in general, too many rap-bolted routes turn out to be low-adventure, low challenge, unaesthetic bolt trails. If we were to agree that placing bolts should be done on the lead, and if we could get everybody on board, a crisis like what we witnessed in Vantage would never happen again. Too many rap bolted sport routes are low adventure low challenge?? HAHAHA my friend you have not been climbing enough sport! either that or you are climbing 5.14. That statement cannot be taken seriously be anyone unless you are climbing sport routes all over the world and all grades, from 5.5 to 5.15. Poor argument Come on Luke...Look at realization, that thing is a low adventure bolt trail...absolutely positively has nothing going for it.... You've provided an example of a high-challenge, high-adventure sport route I assume (never heard of that climb but...oh well). Now, I would like to present you with an example of a TYPICAL SPORT CLIMB and then you can tell me how much challenge/adventure our subjects are having: Quote
Distel32 Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 Klem must be a pussy because I heard Pope say this shit was easy!!!! Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 it is no big deal to hop onto a route that is at or above your level if you kno you can be lowered off. if D.D.D. is at your level, you will mabe think twice before hopping on it. as a bolted route i would be tempted to jump on it, but i dont have the cajones to do so until i get stronger. Quote
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Posted November 18, 2003 pope said: RuMR said: Distel32 said: pope said: A few people do establish routes on rap and do a nice job, and I've agreed with that point many times. But in general, too many rap-bolted routes turn out to be low-adventure, low challenge, unaesthetic bolt trails. If we were to agree that placing bolts should be done on the lead, and if we could get everybody on board, a crisis like what we witnessed in Vantage would never happen again. Too many rap bolted sport routes are low adventure low challenge?? HAHAHA my friend you have not been climbing enough sport! either that or you are climbing 5.14. That statement cannot be taken seriously be anyone unless you are climbing sport routes all over the world and all grades, from 5.5 to 5.15. Poor argument Come on Luke...Look at realization, that thing is a low adventure bolt trail...absolutely positively has nothing going for it.... You've provided an example of a high-challenge, high-adventure sport route I assume (never heard of that climb but...oh well). Now, I would like to present you with an example of a TYPICAL SPORT CLIMB and then you can tell me how much challenge/adventure our subjects are having: Hey Pope...maybe they just want some Fun? ever hear of that word? Go look it up...its got kind of a crazy definition... Quote
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