pope Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: Pope - This will be something like the tenth time in this thread that I, Alpine K and others have asked: what is this "thing" you have about bolts? How is the placement of a pair of bolts and a ring worse than setting a route so that it ends at a tree that will surely die if subjected to repeated beating by climbers or forcing them to walk down a gully, ripping out ferns and flowers? How is a bolted face route any more environmentally damaging than crack that has to be gardened out, and stripped of the natural vegetation? Now that you've gotten to know the wonders of the "love bar," how can you say that bolts are not removeable more easily than the vegetation in a crack is replaceable? Just what is wrong with taking an old railroad cut next to I-90 and making it into a recreation area? Did a bolt mistreat you when you were still a tender child? And what is the nature of your passion for the little guys? Do you think they make the mountain look better, the way a string of lights aids a noble fir on Christmas Eve? Are you not able to find enough climbable rock without defiling the mountains with these indicators of cowardice? Do you think Molly's hot? Will Dwayner ever be allowed to post here again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: Scott: You said one pitch cragging is worthless but I'm sure you have done a fair amount of it (go team JD). you can count the number of sport climbs I have been on with two hands. so...maybe you can't judge then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted November 18, 2003 Author Share Posted November 18, 2003 i am liking this thread! (at least the pretty pictures) yeah baby! to all who are posting the molly: you guys f-in oh. and bolts next to protectable cracks are suck. and climbers should pick up all the microtrash at the crags and on approach trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: scott_harpell said: Scott: You said one pitch cragging is worthless but I'm sure you have done a fair amount of it (go team JD). you can count the number of sport climbs I have been on with two hands. so...maybe you can't judge then? that's great logic. i haven't tried heroin either. should i try that just to be sure?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 distel i read that kehl did reherse evilution..not to be nit picky and shit...but.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Mr. Pope- Once again (eleven times now?) you sidestep the question. Why do you single out bolts out as the object of your obsessive disdain? You spray a lot of B.S. about how climbers in the old days were so much more environmentally conscious, about how everyone who climbed back in "your day" was so brave, or about how if you don't pry the bolts out of a short and peripheral sport climb that existed on Castle Rock for four or five years the entire crag is going to be perceived as "open season" and somebody is going to go up there and make Midway into a sport climb. But when asked to explain how the placement of bolts is so much more of an environmental disaster than so many other climbing practices that actually displace plants and animals, you can't or won't tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: RuMR said: scott_harpell said: Scott: You said one pitch cragging is worthless but I'm sure you have done a fair amount of it (go team JD). you can count the number of sport climbs I have been on with two hands. so...maybe you can't judge then? that's great logic. i haven't tried heroin either. should i try that just to be sure?!? I dunno...you'd probably dig heroin, seein' as your a crack whore...or is it a crack climber??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: scott_harpell said: RuMR said: scott_harpell said: Scott: You said one pitch cragging is worthless but I'm sure you have done a fair amount of it (go team JD). you can count the number of sport climbs I have been on with two hands. so...maybe you can't judge then? that's great logic. i haven't tried heroin either. should i try that just to be sure?!? I dunno...you'd probably dig heroin, seein' as your a crack whore...or is it a crack climber??? again with the name calling. do you have another point that needs a rebuttle or are you done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Scott- you have nothing to complain about when it comes to name calling. Quit your name calling and quit your whining, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 actually scott, i'm just sick of your same tired old rant...seein' as i tried to drag you up to 32 so you could see what i was talking about BEFORE you dissed the bolting done there...so now i'm just playing but i couldn't get you out there...so be it... You sound like a broken record w/ your main point being that bolting is the easy way out...Not everyone sees bolts as a hideous infestation...many see them as an opportunity to go have an enjoyable time... You won't change my mind, and i won't change yours...this thread is stupid and tired...i could probably dig up a mirror thread from last year, the year before, blah blah and it'll read the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: Scott- you have nothing to complain about when it comes to name calling. Quit your name calling and quit your whining, too. who have i name called in this thread matt? no-one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: actually scott, i'm just sick of your same tired old rant...seein' as i tried to drag you up to 32 so you could see what i was talking about BEFORE you dissed the bolting done there...so now i'm just playing but i couldn't get you out there...so be it... You sound like a broken record w/ your main point being that bolting is the easy way out...Not everyone sees bolts as a hideous infestation...many see them as an opportunity to go have an enjoyable time... You won't change my mind, and i won't change yours...this thread is stupid and tired...i could probably dig up a mirror thread from last year, the year before, blah blah and it'll read the same... if it makes you feel better, i went there and i still think the bolting there sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 There's nothing wrong with the annual bitchfest, RuMR. In being repetitive, it is no different than the 107th "I hate Fee Demo" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: There's nothing wrong with the annual bitchfest, RuMR. In being repetitive, it is no different than the 107th "I hate Fee Demo" thread. yeah it helps paper-time feel shorter (while actually making it longer ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 So...tell me all about the protectable faces there...i'm listening??????????????? That crag would be tapped out at about 10 routes all checking in under .11-...fine and dandy for really good climbers that climb .12 and up...they wouldn't have any problems with the runout 5.10's at all...but let's talk about ALL of the other users there and the fun and good times that they have cuz other lines have been filled in at ALL grades w/ decent protection... And, FWIW, the hard routes (13- and up) are fairly runout w/ 25 to 40 foot fall potential common on them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 scott_harpell said: who have i name called in this thread matt? no-one scott_harpell said: get your nose out of his ass... he's married. Though this particular "gem" was pruned from the thread, we could scroll back and find other equally insulting rhetoric that was not. Like I said: quit your name calling and quit your whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 no... bolts dont make more impact. over a dozen bolts that i can see with my nake eye in that picture... you can see how many bolts he has clipped too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Yeah, scott, seein' as that's a FRICKEN ROAD CUT that was accessed into the cliff, you are right, those bolts are heinous... And i bet you could stuff all kinds of gadgetry back behind those loose blocks for pro! And look at all of those unhappy faces!! Such a poor use of that road cut and condemned road for recreational activity...we must condemn and abhor it till the end of time Thanks for supporting my position!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Little Si is a great example of a sport crag, RuMr. It had been poked at by "trad" climbers for years, but nobody thought it worthy (well, maybe a couple of guys did). Because it was not even remotely popular, a friend of mine used it for his private playground where he used to take kids groups for rappelling and rope-challenge events -- on the weekends -- and he never had any conflicts with other users. Then it was developed as a sport crag and the developers honored the request from the State wildlife people not to set the routes so they would reach the top of the crag (apparently there are some rare plants up there). Climbers groups have built the trail and because of the popularity with climbers, there is a nice new parking lot that serves climbers and families who want to take their children for a walk. The climbers staging areas are all off the hiking trail. The irresponsible younger generation so despised by Pope is out there getting fit, having fun, and harming nobody. The whole thing takes place in an area that is a recovering clearcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR if 3 bolts in 6 feet is supporting your cause and having 25 people within 150 feet of eachother is supporting your cause. i shudder to think what your cause is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 and that second picture looks like a possible trad lead too... hes gotta fist jam, but why does he need a #2 when he has 3 bolts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Uh, climbing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 (edited) anytime you wanna come climb w/ me and show me how bold you are, i'm game...and don't play that game of going down 4 number grades from your onsight limit... Those people may be pushing their limits, no? and that's not a fist jam... Edited November 18, 2003 by RuMR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 mattp said: Uh, climbing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_harpell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 RuMR said: anytime you wanna come climb w/ me and show me how bold you are, i'm game...and don't play that game of going down 4 number grades from your onsight limit... Those people may be pushing their limits, no? and that's not a fist jam... i dont need 3 bolts in 6 feet to push my limits. no-one does. i wouldn't even place gear anywhere near that close if i am trying something at my limit. you certainly dont need bolts that close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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