charlesclaassen Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Anyone used this insulated soft shell? How does it hold up in the rain? Is it too warm if you're bushwhacking? Quote
genepires Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 It must not have sold well last year cause this year they are calling it the "mixmaster". Hoping to catch a ride on the swelling mix climbing rage. Maybe "stretch speed ascent" was too many words and confused our simple brains. Quote
cracked Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Too warm, period. When's the last time you wore a heavy fleece beneath a shell while moving? I haven't. Ever. Quote
erik Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 i have the strech element jacket in which i really like.. tho i preferred last years to this years... Â but crapped is right.....when was the last time you had multiple layers on as you moved??? rarely in the pnw...... Â i think the sandwiched style coats reduce your options.....and they would be bulkier.... Â and just to note i have an arcteryx beta ar on sale......cheap!!!! Â Quote
cracked Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Oh, and if you're bushwhacking in the rain you're gonna get very, very wet no matter what you're wearing. Quote
erik Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 cracked said: Oh, and if you're bushwhacking in the rain you're gonna get very, very wet no matter what you're wearing. Â garbage sack!!!! tho i personally recommend crapped to make sure he tightens it up nice and snug around his neck!!! Quote
cracked Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 erik said: cracked said: Oh, and if you're bushwhacking in the rain you're gonna get very, very wet no matter what you're wearing. Â garbage sack!!!! tho i personally recommend crapped to make sure he tightens it up nice and snug around his neck!!! Go climb a rock, Erik. Quote
cj001f Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 cracked said: Too warm, period. When's the last time you wore a heavy fleece beneath a shell while moving? I haven't. Ever. Have you EVER been climbing outside of the Northwest? It gets alot colder elsewhere. I've been climbing with GTX, Fleece, and still been cold in the 'Daks. STFU. Quote
cracked Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 cj001f said: cracked said: Too warm, period. When's the last time you wore a heavy fleece beneath a shell while moving? I haven't. Ever. Have you EVER been climbing outside of the Northwest? It gets alot colder elsewhere. I've been climbing with GTX, Fleece, and still been cold in the 'Daks. STFU. Yeah, only this is cascadeclimbers.com. Why not go more versatile and get an uninsulated softshell and a fleece coat to match? Quote
bDubyaH Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 cj001f said: cracked said: Too warm, period. When's the last time you wore a heavy fleece beneath a shell while moving? I haven't. Ever. Have you EVER been climbing outside of the Northwest? It gets alot colder elsewhere. I've been climbing with GTX, Fleece, and still been cold in the 'Daks. STFU. i agree with cracked. i live in ak and don't want an insulated shell. if it is so cold that you need more layers put on your down. cause at those temps it ain't raining. an insulated shell is too warm and has a very limited niche. my $0.02 Quote
Rodchester Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 I agree with the sentiment expressed by many here: Why not go with shell and a separate insulation layer for a more versatile system?  I have climbed a lot in other climates, Rockies, South America, New England, etc. In New England it gets considerably colder that here in the PNW. I used the separate shell and insulation setup in New England (–38 degree with 100 mph winds on Mt. Washington ) and I use it here to.  This way I can have a shell (hard or soft) with no insulation for wamer but wetter and/or windier days, insulation for colder days with low winds and no or little precip, and both for wehen you really need it.  With an all in one coat, you have one choice instead of three.  Why would you sacrifice the versatility?  What do you get for giving it up?  Nothing that I can see.  Am I missing something?  Quote
cj001f Posted November 4, 2003 Posted November 4, 2003 Rodchester said:Why would you sacrifice the versatility? Â What do you get for giving it up? You gain: Less bulk. Less weight. More mobility. Better transfer of water vapor. Â Sure you loose in versatility - but lots of places you know the weather ain't going to change. But it has it's niche. And they've been way cheap at the outlets. For what it's worth the shell/fleece combo is/was popular in Scotland. I also know people who love them for skiing. Quote
Lambone Posted November 5, 2003 Posted November 5, 2003 It sounds like a good coat for skiing on cold days or nights. But I think I'd get too hot climbing in it. Quote
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