Necronomicon Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 As I listened to the radio this morning, it was like I was a kid again, and every town around me was cancelling school for the day, but I had to go. The the level of the Nooksack is above my desk right now! I hope we are all swept away by a wall of mud, show these fuckers. Quote
Ratboy Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Necronomicon said: The the level of the Nooksack is above my desk right now! This brings up an image of you sitting at your desk floating around your office. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 On the bright side, you could be a Maryville teacher being forced back to work..... Quote
Necronomicon Posted October 21, 2003 Author Posted October 21, 2003 vegetablebelay said: On the bright side, you could be a Maryville teacher being forced back to work..... Those poor bastards will be in school until the middle of August!!! Quote
allthumbs Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 vegetablebelay said: On the bright side, you could be a Maryville teacher being forced back to work..... they don't like it, shoot the fuckers Quote
mr.radon Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Teacher strike is finally over. What's the difference between the teachers going on strike holding the kid's education hostage for more money vs. a person holding a bunch of kids hostage in a classroom asking for money? NOTHING! Both cases are criminal and both cases harm kids. The teachers should have all been fired, the union banned and new teachers hired. Too bad we don't have a governor worth spit. Where was Locke? In China...... What a Governor, and people laugh at CA? Quote
Necronomicon Posted October 21, 2003 Author Posted October 21, 2003 mr.radon said: Teacher strike is finally over. What's the difference between the teachers going on strike holding the kid's education hostage for more money vs. a person holding a bunch of kids hostage in a classroom asking for money? NOTHING! Both cases are criminal and both cases harm kids. The teachers should have all been fired, the union banned and new teachers hired. Too bad we don't have a governor worth spit. Where was Locke? In China...... What a Governor, and people laugh at CA? Mr. Moron, The teachers would not have gone on strike if the SCHOOL DISTRICT had been willing to negotiate a contract. It's not just the teachers, and their union, that caused the strike, it's the SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION as well. Quote
allthumbs Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Locke is a fucking communist turd. All parties involved with the Marysville cluster-fuck should be fired or shot. Quote
forrest_m Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 whoa there, ban the union? maybe send in some strikebreakers with baseball bats, eh? what recourse does a union have besides the threat of a strike? it's the very basis of collective bargaining. just how are the kids harmed? they do the same number of days, just later in the summer. teachers do a hard job for shitty pay and they often take an extra load of shit because they take the wellbeing of their kids very personally, but it seems to me like they finally said enough is enough. Quote
Al_Pine Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 mr.radon said: The teachers should have all been fired, the union banned and new teachers hired. I'll bet they would have gotten a lot of quality applicants . Wanted: grade school teacher. Pay: No contract. This is not negotiable. Quote
Ursa_Eagle Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 School teacher should be the highest payed and most sought after profession. They have huge impacts on kids lives (I blame my climbing *and* my profession on my HS physics teacher), yet they get paid shit. WTF is a billion-dollar CEO doing to shape individual kids lives like that? Quote
rbw1966 Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Easy: advertising Yeah--lets banish the ability of under-employed workers from collectively fighting for better standard of living. That puts teaching right up there with such time-honored occupations as farm laborer. Quote
vegetablebelay Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 So it was a couple of years ago that the MLB Umpires were going on strike when the owners played hardball and canned one third of the umps. Everyone was saying at the time that all that talent would be missed and the replacements would suck. The replacements are still there and the canned umps never got back to work in the big leagues. Teachers have got a good thing going and they aren't teaching for the money. There are a number of out of work teachers around here who would jump at the chance for work. Cops and firefighters aren't paid well but they don't do what they do for the money either. I would've hired the "guest teachers" the district was threatening to hire right away. Quote
Al_Pine Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 So you agree that the school district screwed the pooch, then eh Veggie? One way or the other, you gotta put the responsibility for this whole mess on the school district. Either they shoulda worked out a deal, or they shoulda hired scabs. It is the school district's responsibility, i.e. their job, to provide an education for the kids. Quote
rbw1966 Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 vegetablebelay said: Cops and firefighters aren't paid well but they don't do what they do for the money either. Maybe not where you are but I have a friend in the fire department here in Portland who pulls down a 6 figure income as a paramedic/firefighter. In the private sector a paramedic is damn lucky if he makes $40k and even then has to pay his benefits and retirement. Apparently things in WA are VASTLY different. Quote
mr.radon Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 (edited) Necronomicon said: Mr. Moron, The teachers would not have gone on strike if the SCHOOL DISTRICT had been willing to negotiate a contract. It's not just the teachers, and their union, that caused the strike, it's the SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION as well. Ha I have to laugh at this. First off they have a captive audience. If Boeing goes on strike Airbus can make planes. Since there is no voucher system in Washington we have to send our kids to the CRAPPY public schools. Next the average teacher makes over $54K in that district, second highest in the state. Third if you look at the districts financing they were grand-fathered in and got extra money from the state when they went to a standardized pay schedule. Now that about six years ahs elapsed they don't have the funds to keep the pay that high. Fourth, study after study has show we pay for the most for education and get the least, 80% of the cost is teacher pay. Fifth, the teacher unions are against pay for performance. Good teachers have no incentive to become or excel as teachers. Sixth, the teachers do not receive recognition for excellence, and the bad teachers due to union protection and seniority aren't weeded out. Seventh, $54K for 180 days in the class room. Add about 20 days of in-service days you come up with 200, add 10 bonus day 210. Alright, that’s 42 weeks of work! 52 weeks in a year, 10 weeks of vacation time PAID!! Better yet, lets say the average worker get 3 weeks vacation. If the teachers worked the extra 7 weeks they would be demanding an average salary of $63K, not a bad wage at all. Screw the teachers, they were totally off base. The Governor should immediately fix the loophole these sleazy union officials use to call a strike and pass legislation to allow WA to be a right to work state. Finally, I dated two public school teachers so I know what I'm talking about, I am very active in my sons education, and appreciate good teachers. The good ones are NOT rewarded in corrupt UNIONS. I have considered becoming a teacher giving up half my salary for the extra time off. I would apply in WA if it were not that I'd have to join a F-ing UNION. Maybe next year I'll be in the ATLP in Colorado and teaching in the Ouray school district. All you UNION lovers should wake up and realize the strangle hold these corrupt union bosses have on your poor kids. The future generation is TOO valuable to allow that kinda of a bargaining system. Lastly, how would you like to go to a school where a Judge had to force your teacher back into the classroom? I'm sure they are going to get an earful. BTW: I can see your wonderful UNION education allowed you to be so eloquent with your response that you had to resort to name calling right off the bat. Edited October 21, 2003 by mr.radon Quote
allthumbs Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Let the kids out at normal end of school year. Not their fault. No makeup bullshit. I don't brake for teachers or school board fuckers. Quote
Jim Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Though there is some truth in all these post it seems like the reaction is over the top. I don't know what the specific problem is between the district and the teachers, but they are one of the highly paid districts in the state. That aside I'd like to comment on some of the above generalizations regarding teachers. My wife is a middle school science and health teacher. She worked for about 17 years as a geologist so brings a great science background to the classroom. Few science teachers have a sciece degree or expeciece in science application. The Seattle school disctric contract says she works 6.5 hours a day. Generally she works 11-12 hours at school, with a couple of hours at home every night. Then at least 10 hours each weekend. Then you add evening presentations, parent meetings, etc. It's quite commiting if you're going to do it well. While they have time off around the holidays my wife grades or plans through these. And over the summer there is about 7 weeks where they do not have to be at school. Give mandatory workshops, class development and planning - it's not much tme off. So I don't think the statements of big vacations is fair. While unions do give teachers some bargining power they don't necessarily help merit promotion. You can be a medicore teacher and stay in the profession a long time. But that does come back to pay - would you be willing to start at $24K with a BA or $31K with a MS in Seattle? Reducing class sizes would greatly improve your kid's education, but there doesn't seem to be money available to address this issue in the current economic and political climate. Most teachers bust their butts for your kids. You should be grateful. IMO. Quote
Necronomicon Posted October 21, 2003 Author Posted October 21, 2003 Dr. Moron, You are an ingrate. "80% of school budget goes to paying teachers" No shit. What else would they spend their money on? Your kids will end up as idiots, if you don't have HIGHLY PAID PROFESSIONALS teaching them. Would you want a poorly paid doctor doing an operation on them? Quote
Al_Pine Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 mr.radon said: I have considered becoming a teacher giving up half my salary for the extra time off. I would apply in WA if it were not that I'd have to join a F-ing UNION. Wonderful sentiment, weak cop-out. Since there is no voucher system in Washington we have to send our kids to the CRAPPY public schools. Cop-out #2. If you're "very active" in your son's education, and if you make twice as much as a teacher as indicated above, you don't need vouchers to send your kid to a private school. Quote
Mtguide Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Elegant solution--just bust a cap in the ass of the teachers,school board,all the kids and their parents,administration,etc.Vaporize all facilities--end of problem.Wow,cool. ----------------------------------------------- "I do not think,therefore I do not exist." Quote
Rainierwon Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 Yeah, like "don't take my guns away" combined with "I'm gunna bust a cap in you " does real good for the gun lobby . I also like the use of force if you disagree with me mentality mostly heard from the "right" who self proclaim they are right . Go figure. Teachers are some of the most spat upon hard workers out there, but the Marysville thing went on way too long. -J Quote
chelle Posted October 21, 2003 Posted October 21, 2003 mr.radon said:[/b] and people laugh at CA? Yeah, CA seems like a joke of a state to live in right now, but for teachers it's a great place to be. Starting salary for a new teacher right out of school is about $40k. The cost of living is high in a lot of places, but at least they're getting paid a living wage. Starting pay in teaching is one reason why I have opted for nursing rather than teaching. Quote
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