Marmot's new "900-fill" down ???

[Fence_Sitter]

the reds are way lighter than the yellows...i have the reds... they are lighter than my leathers.... that is the only reason i wear them in washington...

[Gary_Yngve]

Maybe they got different units... measuring the Scarpas in pairs and the Koflachs by individual shoes.

[Fence_Sitter]

i think it is a typo and they used the red's measurment for both the degree's and the verticals...(you also have to note that there are 2 yellow boots too, the vertical, and the expedition)

[Dru]

koflach expe is just vert with a slightly thicker inner

i think they just lied thru their teeth, actually.

 

[Dru]

another good one is that according to published weights like in MEC catalog or Gear Guide, Rage and Quark weigh the same . NO WAY. Quark is like 100g lighter when you hold it in your hand.

[Sphinx]

No it isn't.

[Dru]

Is too.

[Fence_Sitter]

i think dru is just shit disturbing...

[Dru]

why is it so hard for you to believe gear companies lie to you. ditto their reps. never trust a snake oil salesman even if he's selling sleeping bags, or packs, or puffy jackets, or revolutionary new rubber technology from the Far East

[Sphinx]

Dru, I've got the Rage. It does NOT feel heavier than the Quark. Charlet Moser sucks anyways, with those stupid aluminum heads.

[Dru]

Rages are sooooo suck. SUck suck suck. Also heavy and poorly balanced. The Quark is a precision implement. The Rage is a clumsy club.

[iain]

I'm waiting for the new 900 fill rages next year

[Dustin_B]

Sphinx said:

Golite is the only one who gives reasonably accuarate weights.

 

I've found OR to be quite accurate with their weights. I weighed my bivy (at home on my digital scale) and it actually weighed less than advertised. My Mountainsmith Wisp bag also weighs within 1 oz of the advertised weight. Mountain Hardwear is really bad with their weights. But perhaps this is a topic for another thread, sorry.

[allison]

Checked out the weight for the Fusion in the BP Gear Guide. Also listed there at 2#4oz. Obviously someone weighed a sample and never checked again. So much for thorough.

[JoshK]

Dru said:

Rages are sooooo suck. SUck suck suck. Also heavy and poorly balanced. The Quark is a precision implement. The Rage is a clumsy club.

 

Have you ever stopped to think for 30 seconds that different tools feel better/worse for different people? I'd trust the opinion of somebody who actually climbs with these tools over somebody who just sprays about them.

[Rodchester]

A good name for a new gear company:

 

"Snake Oil Mountain Equipment"

 

Think about it, it can make bad gear and lie about with a straight face. The Rep could say: "come on, buy "S.O.M.E."

 

OK..that sucked.

 

[Dru]

JoshK said:

Dru said:

Rages are sooooo suck. SUck suck suck. Also heavy and poorly balanced. The Quark is a precision implement. The Rage is a clumsy club.

 

Have you ever stopped to think for 30 seconds that different tools feel better/worse for different people? I'd trust the opinion of somebody who actually climbs with these tools over somebody who just sprays about them.

 

I wouldn't trust anyone who actually climbs with Rages because they are so suck, it shows their judgement must be seriously off about everything.

[Fence_Sitter]

that is osme great circular reasonin you got goin there canuck

[JoshK]

Dru said:

JoshK said:

Dru said:

Rages are sooooo suck. SUck suck suck. Also heavy and poorly balanced. The Quark is a precision implement. The Rage is a clumsy club.

 

Have you ever stopped to think for 30 seconds that different tools feel better/worse for different people? I'd trust the opinion of somebody who actually climbs with these tools over somebody who just sprays about them.

 

I wouldn't trust anyone who actually climbs with Rages because they are so suck, it shows their judgement must be seriously off about everything.

 

[Attitude]

Alp wings rock, BD sucks.

[Sphinx]

Attitude said:

Alp wings rock, BD sucks.

 

[cj001f]

allison said:

Checked out the weight for the Fusion in the BP Gear Guide. Also listed there at 2#4oz. Obviously someone weighed a sample and never checked again. So much for thorough.

Hmm. So the gear guide people are supposed to take a random sample of sleeping bags purchased throughout the season (in case they change suppliers, or assemblers, or...) And provide you with Min, Mean and Max? I truly doubt you'll see outdoor gear with weight specs better than +-5%. Which for your 2lb 4oz bag would be +-1.8oz.

[Attitude]

Sphinx said:

Dru, I've got the Rage.

There are several creams available at the drugstore which will help with your discomfort.

[allison]

No, what I am saying is that the # used in the GG is the same as the one used in other places. A number was generated, probably before the last design iteration, and then was never corrected. A 10% variation I could live with, which would be 4 ounces. I think in this case they probably just didn't weigh the right bag. Sloppy?

 

This is just a guess, but the point here is if Marmot can't be trusted to do something as simple as weigh the right bag, why put any credence in their so-called down testing program?

[JoshK]

Allison has a valid point. Just as much to the point is the fact that marmot's "900" bags are awesome bags with great quality shells and down fill. Are they any better than readily available 800 fill down bags simply because of the "900" fill down? No, I sincerely doubt it. But that doesn't change the fact that last year's versions of the same bags (marketed as 800 fill) kicked ass also.