erik

quote: Originally posted by beefcider: Erik, I'm all for going and restoring some of the routes and I'll hopefully learn something. email me then.....i'm not chopping, but upgrading.... learn both sides of the story, you can alway argue better.....

quote: Originally posted by chris_w: [QB]To try and answer some questions. Erik- I leave the area nicer then when I got there. Old boy scout habits. But I can't be watching them all the time. QB] chris i respect that, but say in the am before climbing begins, i am sure everyone eats breakfast and what not.....good time to give the little litter talk.....also maybe at dinner... maybe make it part of the packet you hand out.... there are many ways to communicate that litter is not acceptable.... and you seem to be the go to guy in this situation so i am going to you to effectivly communicate that litter wheter it be tape, lunch mess (ie banannas, apples or whatever) or candy bar wrapers is wrong.... and yes i am generlizing about the mnteers, cause after last time i saw them out there we picked up a couple bags of trash.....

HEY BEEF, first of all, why is okay to bolt the rock?? and why should people be able to bolt non-controversly, yet to remove a bolt needs to be a controversy...sounds like a one way street with people going both ways...... sport climbing gives an easy intro into the sport, but at the same time it leaves you with only a small aspect of the sport..... 1: you lose the the respect you have for something that might be as safe. 2: you rely on others to protect the route, putting their judgement over yours. yet when you are climbing it is you and not them that has to deal with the consequences. 3: bolts, as most people seem them as bomber protection forever. yet these things are placed in the cliff and are subject to the same forces and elements that the cliff side is....these materials age and will need replacing at sometime....who does that?? does not replacing bolts damage the rock too???? you claim that bolts are only an issue for .10 trad leaders, well i am a fourth class specialist and granted i am not opposed to bolting out right, i am opposed to rappell bolting, excessive bolting, poor bolting and i am strictly against quarrying for routes that require bolts to protect..... there are methods of patching drilled holes in the rock, and i think anyone whom does remove a bolt has the responsibilty to do it corectly and have as little impact as possible....and not patching a hole is not doing it correctly.... enjoy and be safe erik

MAYBE WE SHOULD ASK A PROFESSIONAL THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.... CALLING DOUG LARSON.....CALLING DOUG LARSON..... WHAT DO YOU AND YOUR COLLEGUES SEE IN A BOLT WAR.....

quote: Originally posted by max: So to keep the ball rolling here, I'd like to see a list of the top five to ten routes most deserving a chop. Be specific in what route, what bolts, and why. Once the list comes out, we'll see if anyone has a beef and can support their complaint. you know max, this appears to be a good idea in concept...but in reality i dont think anything productive could come out of it.....other then name calling and other various types of b.s. that goes along with this whole mess..... best thing to do with errant bolts, it to leave them be, and to stop putting others in..... certainly there are routes that deserved to be chopped, and certainly there are bolts the deserved to be replaced and certainly there are bolts that need to be placed..... but i do not think that this limited scope of 4 guys saying 'yes' or 'no' is the forum to do it.... and i really think any action wheter it be chopping/removal/retro-bolting should be done with out a spectacle or horn blowing......

so chris one thing that i have noticed with any of the mtneer program is an excessive amount of garbage left behind..... i think before you even have these people tie in or let them put their helmets (unless that happens in the parking lot) is to make sure they go around and pick up garbage and other alien items to the natural enviroment to the area.... no dont go claiming, "it is not us!!!!" because i dont care....last few times i have seen the spectecale of "students" in any cragging area i have noticed increased trash......and since you are all part of one organization, you are all responsible...... preservation of the natural enviroment should be considered over the enjoyment of the natural enviroment...... have fun and be safe.. and i think 90 people is an abuse to the natural enviroment... just my $6.78 worth..............

freeclimb...... most things that are brought on a trip be my serve a purpose.....i dont like to pussyfoot around up thar in them hills....cuz there is so much other fun stuff to do..... extra luxeries equal more weight..... though i will admit all that titanium crap does make nice for reducing mess kit/ stove issues.... and when it comes down to it, regardless of the junk your bring with you, you are gonna do it or your not..... and i am not a badass or a good climber either, probably closer to sketchy and dumb more then anything......

quote: Originally posted by Marcus Engley: quote:Originally posted by Retrosaurus: What about the 5.10 tr variation to Dogleg Crack that is now bolted? Toproped this route this weekend, and I'd say that it IS independent enough to be its own line, and that it wouldn't protect naturally. That said, we toproped it, and had plenty of fun. I was surprised to find it bolted when we got there... so since you can top rope it easily, are you still saying that there needs to be bolts there???? i dont think so... top roping a route works fine and lessens the impact you have to the cliff and keeps the unsightly bolts away...... people top roped problems are great and in my book take nothing away from ones ego or stature as a climber.......cuz we all know thats what it is about....... so maybe we need to stop the bolting for awhile?? and maybe slowly advance on the "restoration" of routes for a bit too......

good bumper sticker.... maybe jon can use it on his bike.... "the closer you tailgate, the better my aim"

quote: Originally posted by specialed: atleast it looked orange. mtneer brain matter splatter............

quote: Originally posted by chris_w: You might want to take Colchuck b-rock off your list. They will be replacing the bridges on 8 mile road this summer. I don't know if you can hike around them or not. I think they close either June 15 or July 15. yup that are is closed...gonner!!! dont go back there....no sireee, the MAN has shut it down..... july 15.....gotta get atleast one month of ransom money.....

should we ban headspace for his annoying bolting statements??

quote: Originally posted by avypoodle: an avypoodle camera? that would be REALLY boring too much fog!?!?! you would never be able to see anything.....

maybe to spice it up we could put in errant rap bolters covered in peanut butter or some other substance that dawgs love........and let them have at it.......

just park along the highway....though make sure you are off the road far enough....or another variety of tool might fix you!!!

ill moderate it!!! har har har

quote: Originally posted by gapertimmy: [QBauto refreshes every 30 seconds, so if you are on dial up, beware![/QB] WHATS DIAL UP???

wuz up there last summer and saw the birdy closure still climbed yellow bird (scary!!)

OR I CAN MODERATE YOUR ASS....... NO MORE VIOLENCE ANGAINST ANYONE...... THATS NOT SPRAY!!!!!

quote: Originally posted by viktor: The stuff on the left are "projects" that no one has been able to do, as far as I know. Been there for years. The bolted crack in question was bolted due to the friable nature of the crack. It's different kind of rock and a touch unstable. Tap it with a hammer and see. Sure it takes gear, but I don't think you want to whip on it. Put your aiders on it and jump on your gear. They are not necessarily "chicken" bolts but were meant to keep the rock from busting apart in the event of a fall. viktor, is that not when better judgement should come into play....and you say "jeez this rock sucks and i am afraid to fall and hurt myself, especially since the rock appears friable. maybe i will leave this for someone who does not need bolts to climb it. or maybe we dont need to climb every piece of rock in the icicle....." again another selfish act............. why again are we reauired to climb every piece of rock????

quote: Originally posted by willstrickland: Well E, you might check into the environmental practices of the Mitsubishi Corp before you cheer for 'em. I have (on the advice of a friend) and it's pretty shocking what they participate in and/or support. i dont doubt that......i am just commenting on one particular thing...all major corps fuck shit up!!!!

quote: Originally posted by Honkeydong: honkeydong would like to apologize. you better becareful honkeydong.....i know some women, who are probably plotting to beat your ass as i type this..... watch your back....they are all evil!!!!! [ 04-16-2002, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: erik ]

quote: Originally posted by willstrickland: Cleeshter, F350 would have the Powerstroke, not the Cummins...that'd be Dodge, and if you need to fabricate another penis-envy truck story know that Chevy now has a diesel as well...made by Detroit Diesel I believe...Erik? actually mr strickland, chevy has started to use a mitsubishi diesel motor...and the good thing is it the first of the new generation diesel, which has a lower emmision rate while retaining power... chevy and mitsu have been orking on this motor for near 6 or 7 years according to the old man(works for the general)........ again chevy sets the bench mark with automobile technology......

cleether from what i gather you are just plain bad ass period......

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