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OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM CLIMBING MAGAZINE RE: INCIDENT IN JOSHUA TREE NATIONAL PARK Carbondale, CO-Yesterday details of an incident and charges involving Climbing magazine editor Jonathan Thesenga and the National Park Service in Joshua Tree National Park first came to the attention of Climbing’s management team. We immediately undertook action and conducted an internal investigation. Based on the results of those efforts, Climbing magazine this morning terminated Thesenga’s employment effective immediately. A successor will be named later. For 33 years Climbing’s editorial content has been a constant refrain to climbers to act as environmental stewards. We have encouraged the climbing community to employ minimum impact climbing practices, and have strived as employees and representatives of Climbing and the community to maintain even higher standards for ourselves. Violations of that obligation are dealt with swiftly and deliberately. Climbing magazine has supported the Access Fund since its inception in 1989, through financial sponsorship, marketing assistance, and editorial coverage of their efforts. Climbing’s long-time editor, publisher, former owner and current editorial consultant, Michael Kennedy, served as a volunteer on the Access Fund board of directors from 1993 through 2002 and as Access Fund president in 1999 and 2000. Climbing magazine supported climbing specific efforts of the Conservation Alliance with corporate sponsorship from 1992 through 1998. And more recently, the magazine has supported the Utah Open Lands’ Castleton Tower Preservation Initiative, a community and industry supported effort to save Castle Valley from development. Environmental awareness and activism are the core tenets of Climbing’s philosophy - - past, present and future.

GOAT ADMIRABLE THAT YOU PUT SOO MUCH TIME INTO EACH POST. BUT TRUTHFULLY IT IS EQUALY TO READ YOUR POSTS AS IT IS MINE. MINE ARE RANDOM, POORLY EDITED AND RARLEY MAKE A point. yours are just hard to decipher whats going on. then again i only even skim most topics, so i rarley get to the meat of what you are saying. maybe try to just like make it a statment instead of breaking everything down line by line.

VANTAGE IS ALREADU ABUSED ENOUGH WITH EXCESSIVE TOP ROPING. PLUS WITH THE LOOSE ROCK HAZARD I DO NOT THINK IT IS WISH TO BRING LARGE GROUPS THERE. AND PLEASE NEVER BRING THEM TO INDEX. I WONT BE NICE!

TIMM@Y is not a very interesting person and he often does repeat himself. its hard for him to come up with new material

trask=mtngoat

cbs, the metal is thicker as well.

also why have soo many pieces of webbing when 2 or 3 would suffice. clean your crap up dont use bright colored webbing.

CBS metolious rap bolts are designed so you dont need rats nets of webbing.

hey josh you are no better then he is, with your insults.

semantics, yes i have. i am addressing the icicle creek proper. you know like all the main formations that you can walk off of? icicle buttress strongly comes to mind. i have a slack line solely from webbing removed from there. all of it was dated the same day. i also removed nearly 30ft of it 2 summers ago from the top of the tree at bob's wall. you can walk off. you can easily removed your webbing and so after your tr sesh. i have no problems with bolting in general, but we are not discussing that either. you can clean your natural anchors easily, you do so as the follower leaves the belay station and climbs toward the next one.

And crowbar those hideous bolts, too. you do seem to be the semantics master dont you!?

Gosh. POSTS WILL BE DELETED IF YOU DISOBEY ERIK!!!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!! ASSIMILATE OR DIE!!!! hardly attitude. i say this as there is no point to debate. last year i got an email from one of them stating it was not them. well we cleaned it up as they were leaving, they were there all day. that is my point. debating on who leaves the trash is pointless, the issue that needs to be addressed is picking it up. even if it is not yours, pick it up. easy enough!

So fair warning, The Everett Mountaineers will run their Rock 2 field trip the weekend of April 26 and 27. We do understand the impact we have and are doing what we can to minimize it. Advanced warning is part of that plan, and I'll provide a reminder via a separate thread a few days prior with the specific climbing areas we plan to be at. Some of our more overzealous station leaders are being "talked to" If you want an adjacent route or one that we are not using, we will yield. dont forget the trash pick up... my biggest gripe with your organizations outtings is the amount of trash generated anf left. last year we picked up a plastic grocery bags worth of it at the base of the mtneers dome. i notified steve of it last year. this year if i see it i will be picking it up, photogrpahing you and informing the rangers of your ill attempts and following thru with your misson statement. do not debate me on this. also the amount of obtrusive red webbing left on formations. i will remove it all and turn it in. dont leave webbing! ever! clean your anchors!!!!! thanks!

robobobob where you live anyways???

i think safety is not the only issue that is addressed. most people need basic instruction to even get themselves started. sphinx how did you get started then?? lets hear your tale of heroics and apat learning!

i am self taught. so are all my main climbing partners. we are safe and yet still some of us push the limits of the sport. it can be approached from many directions. the mounties and what not is just another way to get in with less commitment. you can teach anything, but the students need to want to learn. have fun everyone!

the boy who cried wolf. and by the way trash, we just lowered our terror threat.! code yellow! code yellow!

why limit it to mounties?? i have seen plenty of other climbers pull jackass manuevers, pretty much anyone whom thinks themselves better then anyone else tend to be the real morons out there.

dave what kind of help would you need??? pm beck, he is like the master of cc.com ceromonies!

necro i saw him at that show in bham too. his encore was fuckin rad!!!!!

Pushing youself beyond what you have done before is extremly satisfying- and it can also be quite painful. That's why elite climbers like Jerry Moffatt associate the feelings of pain and suffering, while climbing a route, with intense feelings of personal pleasure. No matter your climbing ability, you probably think you know your limits on the rock intimately. I contend, however, that your true limits far exceed your perception of what they are and that, when your mind says "stop," you actually have a lot left. Many climbers annouce they are going to fall off a route just before they actually do, whereas a climber truly performing at his limit will keep pushing on and on, no matter how ugly or painful it gets, until he is ejected from the route without a moment's notice. Now that's climbing to your limit! Interestingly enough, a climber in this mode will often send the route, having gone beyond previous limitations. The same goes for your workouts and bouldering sessions. Try to gradually stretch the bounds of what you think is possible. However, be sensitive to your body and heed any indications that you might be injuring yourself. When training and climbing, it it always best to err on th side of safety and drop off at the first sign of any strange pangs or pops. If you get injured, your limits will be pushed way back. Rest assured that with experience you will become a pro at making this judgement call, but, when in doubt, proceed with caution. Individual sports like climbing are all about constantly breaking down barriers and pushing limits as you move upward in ability. Decide to resist the urge to quit when things get painful, and fall in love with muscular discomfort- it is one of the truest signs you are really pushing yourself toward a new level of performance. Only then will you discover just how desperate things have to get before you fall off a route, and only then will you begin turning what were once barriers into steping stones. - Eric Horst.

ALPIN FOX GO TO THE NORTH CASCADES SECTION OF THE WEBSITE. THERE ARE ALREADY TR'S

Well, hell, at least I get the only mention of climbing at *all* on the list of people who suck. BTW, what route do I climb every weekend? I can't even remember the last route that I repeated. YEAH RIGHT DOOD! I GOT MAD PROPS FROM MY NAGGA CHARLES!

URSA DONT YOU MEAN IT PROVIDES LOTSA TORQUE?