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that sounds like growing dead, not up

ahhhh...here comes the cocksucker right on cue cocksucker? no. I'm more like a fly to shit

short and antagonistic

So, you going to prosecute the pro climbers in Denali NP, NCNP, Yosemite, etc.? You are opening a can that may be best left closed.

He's not a hero. He's only done what climbers before him have done, and climbers after him will do. Bitching to Patagonia will only eliminate this thorn; it won't eliminate future thorns or even change the 'culture' of climbing so the thorns stop appearing. If we, as climbers, start forming positive relationships (of which we have too few) it will go along way towards eliminating future sources of strain with managers when these thorns appear.

Focusing on whats important: http://www.accessfund.org http://www.succ.org/ Do you give kudos to patagonia for supporting causes like the Access Fund? Oh whats really important is 'the image' of climbing. Bullshit, you all lovee the rebel schtick and suck it up through a straw. And few of you bother to be involved with the managers in a positive manner - the image improvement that will really make a difference, and cancel out much of the bad will generated by the few.

THAT DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO CHANGE WHAT IS OPEN TO CLIMBING! oh, sorry, they banned slacklining

Dru, my mom isn't living and doesn't have a penis. I think you 've been had.

What man doesn't like them on the apropriate female?

I dunno this thread looks more like the view from Deadhorse Point

Well, when people can't be bothered to comment on access plans, show up to planning meetings, or generally involve themselves in access issues, as has been pointed out previously (and I've found true), but can be bothered to write pablum to patagonia protesting potter, I think it's fair to describe it as a lynch mob. Write a positive letter or send some $ to the access fund at the same time; those will do more good and involve us in the mainstream.

So we're sacrificing Potter on the altar of public stupidity to shield ourselves from future recriminations even though he did nothing unique (arch has been climbed, HD vid climbs are not new, comercial climbs are not new). Hey, that's realpolitik and the way the world works. Lets not put to fine an ethical gloss on it though. Perhaps it's the internet lynch mob that disgusts me most - the people who lust to "yank his sponsorship" and who do little positive for the climbing community to support access. Hell if they'd bother to send emails we'd be better off.

Was Delicate in the Arches scrambling guide?

anything in the spey size?

Turns out Patagonia is going to unveil a new lower priced Moab line of climbing clothing with a certain Delicate Arch as it's logo, as well as park sponsorship

Dru vows to quit internet posting for girlfriend

I'm guessing it may come down to the defition of 'climbing' and that the park service definition of climbing requires rope protection and anchors none of which potter had. This will only 'screw us for access' if we let it.

That's a very practical attitude Matt, but I think it's that same attitude that has lead to a marginalizing of climbers, canyoneers, practically all users who depart from the roadway in the National Parks. Should the parks be open for nondestructive recreation? Even walking causes damage.

Didn't know you were for the amusement park national park system matt. Kind of contradicted by the hordes in El Cap meadows trying to see a climber...

Besides someone was neighing from the bedroom...

Hasn't stopped the massive construction in Zion - indeed, it generated a need for a big new visitor center and parking lot. They had proposed a similar solution for the Valley - a bigass parking lot out by El Portal and buses into the valley. Numerous people objected to the plan, including climbers. Why? Because they suck if you actually want to get out and do something and only shift the impact somewhere else.

A tempest in a teapot - but a wonderful chance for people to pompously proclaim their superiority.

It's not like there was a guidebook too climbing the arches or anything

RK has been documented to cause problems at altitude, the biblio below may be useful: http://www.wemjournal.org/wmsonline/?req...1&page=0053 famously Beck Weathers had problems.

It's the big feet, right?