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GTX liner = dry feet save sweat. At least for me. Dry feet even when standing in water. I way over heat in plastics and they are miserable. Check out something like the Scarpa Charmoz - more ankle support/better slogging boot than the Trango.

fuck I hate SoCal. And Texas

I think you are making a big jump between a low level marketing person at patagonia and a video crew of unknown affiliation and purpose approving, and Patagonia centimillion dollar company approving. They are responsible for what their employees do that doesn't mean they approve of them, or approved on the course of action (and we don't know what they think currently). But then this thread is about logical leaps. If only things moved at message board speed.

neither did I. He's a sponsored athlete. Patagonia will keep him as long as he makes money for them. He's Patagonia's ambassador to the climbing world, not an ambassador for the climbing world.

yes. You can only consume alcohol provided by the flight crew. gary, you are correct, the policy has not changed. because of increased baggage screening (100%) and improved screening procedures, the ban is actually effective now. Previously I had no problems.

Dude, that's the same policy they had before. They just worded it to explicitly exclude rock climbing from the arches and close whatever loophole potter used. oh, except the banned slacklining

Smokescreen? I was not covering anything up - certainly not a stupid stunt such as this. Merely attempting to point out that if climber's wish to improve access and our stature with landmanagers and the public we need to both condemn persons who violate restrictions and work in a positive manner to improve relationships. The two are linked in my mind, yin and yang, but we place more emphasis on the first than the second. In many ways analagous to the contemporary Democratic party - it spends it's time finding faults, but can't provide a positive coherent and cohesive message, so gets trounced.

that sounds like growing dead, not up

ahhhh...here comes the cocksucker right on cue cocksucker? no. I'm more like a fly to shit

short and antagonistic

So, you going to prosecute the pro climbers in Denali NP, NCNP, Yosemite, etc.? You are opening a can that may be best left closed.

He's not a hero. He's only done what climbers before him have done, and climbers after him will do. Bitching to Patagonia will only eliminate this thorn; it won't eliminate future thorns or even change the 'culture' of climbing so the thorns stop appearing. If we, as climbers, start forming positive relationships (of which we have too few) it will go along way towards eliminating future sources of strain with managers when these thorns appear.

Focusing on whats important: http://www.accessfund.org http://www.succ.org/ Do you give kudos to patagonia for supporting causes like the Access Fund? Oh whats really important is 'the image' of climbing. Bullshit, you all lovee the rebel schtick and suck it up through a straw. And few of you bother to be involved with the managers in a positive manner - the image improvement that will really make a difference, and cancel out much of the bad will generated by the few.

THAT DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO CHANGE WHAT IS OPEN TO CLIMBING! oh, sorry, they banned slacklining

Dru, my mom isn't living and doesn't have a penis. I think you 've been had.

What man doesn't like them on the apropriate female?

I dunno this thread looks more like the view from Deadhorse Point

Well, when people can't be bothered to comment on access plans, show up to planning meetings, or generally involve themselves in access issues, as has been pointed out previously (and I've found true), but can be bothered to write pablum to patagonia protesting potter, I think it's fair to describe it as a lynch mob. Write a positive letter or send some $ to the access fund at the same time; those will do more good and involve us in the mainstream.

So we're sacrificing Potter on the altar of public stupidity to shield ourselves from future recriminations even though he did nothing unique (arch has been climbed, HD vid climbs are not new, comercial climbs are not new). Hey, that's realpolitik and the way the world works. Lets not put to fine an ethical gloss on it though. Perhaps it's the internet lynch mob that disgusts me most - the people who lust to "yank his sponsorship" and who do little positive for the climbing community to support access. Hell if they'd bother to send emails we'd be better off.

Was Delicate in the Arches scrambling guide?

Turns out Patagonia is going to unveil a new lower priced Moab line of climbing clothing with a certain Delicate Arch as it's logo, as well as park sponsorship

Dru vows to quit internet posting for girlfriend

I'm guessing it may come down to the defition of 'climbing' and that the park service definition of climbing requires rope protection and anchors none of which potter had. This will only 'screw us for access' if we let it.

That's a very practical attitude Matt, but I think it's that same attitude that has lead to a marginalizing of climbers, canyoneers, practically all users who depart from the roadway in the National Parks. Should the parks be open for nondestructive recreation? Even walking causes damage.