CascadeClimber

I'm not complaining about not being included. I was pointing out that many of us do exclusive things and then let on about it. 'Secret' ice, slide shows, parties, TR links, I climbed with Fred pics, etc. It isn't a big deal. Anyway, I only remember meeting you three times: At Loose Lady, at 38, and at a Pub Club in Issaquah. The first was pleasant, the third we were both blitzed. The only time I remember being something of a dick was at 38. There was some nasty stuff going on then, including me being threatened with ice tools by one of your friends, so I wasn't especially cordial. That was years ago, it's water under the bridge, I hold no grudge, and I thought the fences were mended. Bygones dude. -L

I guess that's the point: It hasn't all been climbed yet. I wasn't invited, but I wasn't whining about it either. I was just pointing out that we all do the same kind of shit. Those guys (DBB and Philfort) didn't even have to put it in the guide, but they did. Everyone will know all about it in a few months, if not before. Then you can all go scrog up the talus and through the boulders, beat through the alder, devil's club, raspberries, wade the creek, and pull down and downrate all you want.

I get that on the boot side of my big toes when I pound downhill a lot, say like 9000 vert descending Rainier in a day. The feeling comes back, at least for me.

Many of us have done exclusive things, parties, slideshows, trips with local legends, etc, that we sprayed about and that other people were certainly not invited or even allowed in on. The "super-secret" slideshow up in Canada comes to mind. In a subtle way, everyone was informed that it was happening, and who was invited. And I can't even count the number of unidentified alpine ice pics that a leading sprayer has posted. I've been in there three times now and the approach sucks in low snow or high snow. The ice is inconsistent and often mungy. So if the people who 'found' it and deemed it worthy want to keep the location to themselves until the guide comes out, then I think that's their perogative. If you want ice mileage, you can leave Seattle and be climbing at Marble Canyon on good, consistent ice faster than you can get to this place. And on top of that, what's been written hasn't been misleading (so far) and has more than enough info and hints for someone to figure it out if they really wanted to. I hope the place comes in fat next year and all the lines get climbed and the two I've done get downrated because they are so fat and plastic. -L

We're holding out until we get invited to next month's "Only for people who have secret ice stashes" slide show at Mattp's.

From the CASBC site: LILLOOET WEATHER: Today .. Sunny. High plus 3. Tonight .. Clear. Low minus 8. Tuesday .. A mix of sun and cloud. High 6. Wednesday .. Mainly cloudy. 60 percent chance of showers or flurries. Low minus 3. High 7. Thursday .. Sunny with cloudy periods. Low zero. High 8. Friday .. Mainly cloudy. 40 percent chance of showers. Low minus 1. High 8. That's 46F for the high on Thursday and Friday. The only thing that's going to save this season is some Vonnegut-style Ice 9.

You might want to call SD and tell them you want to return the Liteloft bag: They'll replace it with a new synthetic bag or give you full credit toward other SD gear. -L

Sadly, we aren't climbing in a vacuum anymore: The actions, and perceived actions, of climbers in every publicized incident like this has an affect on each and every climber. I don't care two licks if someone wants to test their suffering endurance, but when you go out in a manner that is perceived as improperly equipped and get screwed up (in any way that is publicized), you are selfishly impacting others. You don't need to go scrogging up the Muir Snowfield in mid winter in Tevas and hemp shorts to see if you can take it- just go sit behind the Paradise lodge for the day. They got frostbite and they were overdue and it sounds like they weren't properly equipped, by usual standards for winter mountaineering in the Cascades. That's a screw-up in my book, presuming that it turns out to be true. Opinions are like assholes: Everyone has one, and everyone thinks theirs is the only one that doesn't stink. -L

Forgetting that their equipment list is conjecture, I think it is absolutely foolhardy to leave Paradise for Muir in a storm, with more bad weather predicted equipped as described. How many people have to die after getting lost on the Muir Snowfield before this kind of shit stops? I guess if they wanted to experience true suffering, that's fine. But if so, then they should have told people not to expect them back for a week. Grrrrrrrr -L

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Yep. Here is an outdoor enthusiast who has had some adversity in his life and is taking on an immense and interesting challenge. And yet two people 20 hours overdue (at the time this thread started) in the midst of a storm are getting more press. This is a great opportunity for the press to pick up on and celebrate something positive *and* interesting. How about it King5News and Newstips?????

Looks much better to me, yesterday you couldn't see that chair lift:

Before you all send out a party of ping-pong ball imprinted Mounties out on a SAR mission for me, I thought I'd let you know I'm back. It was incredibly difficult- the trail had mud in places, and there were several downed trees. Three times I had to exit the rut to pass parties bivouacking in the trail. The partly sunny weather was also menacing (I burn easily), and visibility near the summit was limited to only several miles. After 46 arduous minutes I reached the top, and seriously considered spending the night, as I was spent and worried about descending safely. The call of a half gallon of cookie-dough ice cream in the freezer overruled my better judgement, and after 35 sketchy minutes I was safely back at the car, though quite rattled from the whole experience. Now to complete my February day in the Cascades day, I'm going out to mow my lawn.

Just so that I can meaningfully contribute to this thread, I'm leaving now to make a winter ascent of the cable-line trail on West Tiger Three. Just to make it interesting, I'm leaving my bivy gear and the ten essentials at home.

I haven't climbed much in the winter outside the Cascades. This last trip to Hyalite was a real wake-up for me: We spent three days in deep snow, getting snowed on, and even had to go crawling around under the car to chain up one day. And I was *DRY* the whole time. Plus I didn't need snowshoes or skis to travel in three feet of fresh snow. I used to think I had shitty winter skills, because I couldn't stay dry. But now I'm starting to think that staying dry around here in the winter is damn near impossible. Winter climbing in the Cascades is a suffer-fest most of the time.

You guys are hauling ass. Only two hours to go. And you can smell the ice from Missoula. ice ice ice ice ice ice ice

I'm jealous, even though I was just there! If you hit Perkins for a pre-dawn breakfast, tell Laura the waitress that Loren, Brett, and Eric say 'hi'. Climb safe- Loren

That's "Mummy 2" Your going to need: 1. A 4x4 with chains all around and high-clearance or 2. A snowmobile or 3. Lots of people for pushing, and digging or 3. To be ready for long approaches. The ice is FAT and BLUE and pretty plastic later in the day. Hyalite rocks. The Sceptre was huge, but I chickened out. It's right next to Mummy 2. Dribbles is great, too. Go get it. Temps were moderate for us. Take pics for those of us who are trapped in Washington. -Loren

I have a couple of older Kong keylock ovals that I use for chocks- they work great.

Which make/model are you using?

Amen to that Brother Knight! Phair Game is another stellar Phair Creek climb. From late February, 2001:

I really enjoyed this one, though it looked a little different when we climbed it: It's every bit of 60 meters, too.

Yep, you can see it from directly below, though that isn't the best approach.

Might want to double check that one. APTA is WI5 or 5+.