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I don't think you can retroactively claim first free ascent years later. Recollections dim, statue of limitations and all that. I guess if you're already listed in the guidebook as such I can't argue with that however.

Ok Kevbone, you have my permission, sounds good. Tell Bob I'm sorry I didn't ask him to touch the route. I'm glad we have cleared this up.

Hey, I did the route back in the day, maybe I'm the first ascentionist!? Joe, your equation is 2 + 2 = #1 , what the? Is pussify even a word? ...

The pins that are in Fear of Flying look like they have been in there quite a while at least as of 2 weeks ago. Joe, are you saying that you replaced them recently? or within a couple years?

I hope they come in XXXL.

My friend Rick was out climbing at Beacon last night and he found a pair of walkie talkies all set up for climbing in the parking lot. He wanted me to post this in case anyone is looking for them. Shoot me a Pm and i will forward your phone# to him.

Nice guys!

Rowdy yates

That is funny and about as interesting as Rob spelled backwards.

Looks like fun ivan except for the gardening and cleaning and teeth brushing! I'm up for it, going to Banks lake soon, then off to the Valley so would have to be when I get back. My preference would be if you had it all tidied up as I hate getting dirt under my fingernails and it tends to stick to the perfumed gel in my hair Also if ya need them pins, just holler. Theyre for bashing, kind of like that poor Joe Healy guy. I also heard a rumor that that Bill Coe wants to do the Dirty Double, so I hope his sexual idenity is not in question. :kisss:

Why feel sorry for Kyle? You should see my poor pitons, somebody beat the shit out of them. Ivan, you think it might go free possibly if there were fixed pins insitu? or probably never?

Wish I could tell you. We took a boat. Lots of nice lines.

Righteous!!!

I don't have any problem with that move, I just figure its 5.10. Its hard for me to think seriously about one crimpy move after doing Liberty Crack yesterday.

I'm not doing pitch 5 no mo due to the rockfall adjacency and the loose block Joseph mentioned due to the rockfall. I was up it first thing this season and didn't realize until I got up there how close it it to the scar.....spooky. but I think pitch 5 is about 5.7 that pitch 3 crux Joseph, its a crimpy little move and if you're not a crimper its stout. I can go with 5.9 because its only one move and the pin right there.

pitch 1 5.8 pitch 2 5.9 pitch 3 5.8 with a 5.10 move past the pin. In fact I think the pin is to reef on if you don't feel like making the move! pitch 4 5.9 the fact you can step left to avoid the direct pullover kind of takes the stiffness out of it

I have never heard that Leavenworth has a high cancer rate either, but there is allot I don't know. I do know that my friend Bill Nigbor who grew up in Leavenworth died at the age of 19 from a rare cancer. He was fine when college got out in June in 1978 and dead 3 months later. I still miss the guy. One of the few non-climbers I knew who had ever been into Coney Lake and one heck of a individual. Rest in peace old buddy.

Me? I don't really care one way or another but if the main developers want it in the guide, then their wishes seem to carry the weight. You have valid points about the parking Joseph, but Ozone still abides even with the parking baloney. I doubt I will frequent the place so its no skin off my lazy sport climbing ass.

What difference would it make? Its not like there are thousands of trad climbers waiting to rush the place.

yeah, I've been there. Kind of like Ozone without the bolts and dolts, but with a little more moss and choss and broken glass and no cute ass.

but I want it in the guide, what about me and my feelings?

E-burg, one of the best towns on the planet.

so I suggested to Jim that the Free for All/Dods/Dastardly link-up which is up one single crack and perfect line be changed to FreeDD. Abreviating the above names down to one short one. I think he about had a stroke before he managed to say he didnt think it was such a good idea. I told him I was just yanking his chain.

There is no anchor on Dods jam by/below the tree currently. Something manky in the crack right above where you belay below the tree, old pin?

Bouncy, if you didn't get a adrenalin boost, I sure did. My hands were shaking after seeing that happen and I felt sick to my stomach. I couldn't believe it didn't even seem like you were injured at all. Glad to have you still on the planet. Like I said, someone was watching over you, I firmly believe that.