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Separated AC and fractured scapula. I have never even heard of a broken scapula. Might not be climbing for a while. Anyone have a similar injury? Prolly not the scapula but how about the AC? What kinda time are we talking about here?

Man I haven't been up there in forever! There is some beautiful country to be see from up there. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

Kev, you will not agree that this is not only about oil and therefore I will no longer discuss the matter with you. No hard feelings, but I think you might look at how polarized you are. If me and Tvash can agree on something as pertains to the middle east then you should really think about why you cannot. This is the last thing I will say to you about this subject.

Yes, every time I read your childish posts and realize that youa re responsible for a life other than your own.

Bullshit. We spend 10 billion a month of TAX PAYER MONEY occupying a country that did not attack us. I believe the tax payers (me and you) need to know what our money is being used for. WMD was a lie. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Bin Laden is “supposedly” in Afghanistan……Scott….please tell us why the US is still in Iraq? I figure you would know considering you are smart. Kev, I don't have the time to write a book about why we are in Iraq. It is not one reason. Sure, there are plenty of reasons; like oil, security, Iran, ect. I don't have the time nor the desire to write about all the reasons that we are there and frankly I am sure I don't know 1/2 of them. In 20 years, I am sure we will all know. If you can't wait till then, just beat your kids to pass the time.

Nice....another cop out answer. What are "our interests"? I just want to hear you say it.....or do you know? Kev, you really do act like a 12 year old. When I found out how old you are, I almost shit myself. Act your age.

I haven't talked any more harshly about Obama than I did about GWB. I reserved my quips to his drunken followers. I merely asked how you all felt about your boy going back on his campaign promises.

Nice….this is nice cop out bullshit answer given by a minion……anyone else? Gonna have to agree with KB, here. It's a really good question. I'd like to see our current mission in Iraq in writing and a source reference, too. I would like to see a whole bunch of other classified documents as well but it aint gonna happen. Way I see it, current mission in Iraq is to train the army and police force to do their own security and ensure that our interests are protected at the same time. You armchair quarterbacks always want easy answers. Sorry, complex questions/ problems have complex answers.

Check your PM's nizzle. Got the rope, harness, ATC, some 'biners (could use a few more). Mostly need: -Pro -biners -big mean fucking dog.

What is the mission Scott? Kev, shut the fuck up. You talk big for a minion. The quote above is your own words. Please inform me what "the mission" is. I honestly dont think you know. I no longer feel the need to try and keep you informed as you would rather be a leg humping syncophant to the obamalammadingdongs.

Get away from the mirror you narcissistic freak.

I wouldn't even want one. The presence of this compound alone would incite more violence than it could possibly deter. I wasn't aware we had a policy on Iran; other than gesturing and pomp that is.

I would leave nothing but Special Forces ODA's and the required crews to support them to finish up teaching the army and police force their new roles as peacekeepers in Iraq. It wouldn't cost much and would certainly be effective. Actually, Tvash, it was quite simple.

What is the mission Scott? Kev, shut the fuck up.

Oh but that is right. You are retired military; or so you have implied. I suppose since you are so tight lipped, you want us to think along the line of SpecOps.

JB, what is the difference in strategy then? Is it just window dressing? Tvash. You google it. I have never even heard of it. Such a number is far too simple a formula for much too complex a problem. Would this figure work as evenly in a populated and relatively educated area like Iraq in comparison to in Afghanistan which lacks infrastructure and education and the population density is far less? No. Academics only gets you so far my boy. Common sense and experience does the rest. Me thinks you are lacking the latter.

Oh, I would love to hear the background on this fantastic data.

BTW Tvash. I think even you can see the difference between Stuttgardt Germany and Baghdad.

You aren't listening. If a significant pull out occurs it'll be because conditions allow it, otherwise it either won't happen or they'll pull out everybody (the former is much more probable considering the prize). No need to start playing your little violin about Obama putting soldiers' lives in danger. Leaving a large force behind precisely means they aren't abandonning the "mission". Uhm... so how is this any different than what John McCain said? Oh wait! It isn't! As I have said all along, all politicians are all alike. Promises are already showing themselves to be facade. So, we went from out in two months, to 16 months, to out in 2 years with a residual force (of 50,000), to out whenever conditions on the ground warrant a pull out (with a residual force). Precisely what John McCain stated he would do when Biden implied he was planning a permanent occupation of Iraq. So where is the difference? Just because it was said with eloquence doesn't make it any different.

Try and keep up Tvash. If 100's of thousands are necessary, then what are 50,000 going to do? Have you ever seen 50,000 soldiers before? That is more than the entirity of Fort Bragg ( the largest military base in the US). It is a lot of motherfuckers. Not enough to do jack shit in Iraq (unless it is the right people) but still a bunch of motherfuckers. So this brings us back to our conundrum: What the fuck good is it to bring a knife to a gunfight (what we are essentially going to be doing)?

I should say that I would love it if there were only that many people in Iraq... If I got to pick what units were there. I am guessing that the units who really need to be there after the main effort pullout will be engaged elsewhere leaving conventional forces to sit around in full MOP gear for the next 10-20 years.

I would.

BTW, I don't call 50,000 soldiers a "residual force." He has realized that pulling out of Iraq now is lunacy and that he has to do what he can to stabilize Iraq while appeasing his constituency. This, is the truth of the matter. 50,000 soldiers. That is a lot of motherfuckers.

So then, what is the point of leaving Iraq and keeping 50,000 troops there? So that we ensure there are more US casualties while at the same time asserting that our mission is an abject failure? This reeks of idiocy. If you are going to abandon the mission (which he has) then do it right and get the fuck out of Dodge.