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I do know this. I was implying that it would be better that people get roids from their doc in controlled amounts. Rather than trial and error with dosages that WAY super-physiologic! At the competitive level, most bodybuilders know far more about steriods and their application than most doc's do. However, doc's would "bone up" on their knowledge if there were a bigger market for it. That said, there are actually a number of doc's who help competitors b/c they know the builder is going to do the steriods anyway so they figure helping to mitigate the long term damage is better than doing nothing at all. Actually, Archy, I know this too. Top end bodybuilders do know a shit ton more than most docs do. In fact, I had to do a ton of my own research on overtraining induced hypogonadism and treatment because NON of my docs at the time knew what fuck was going on. Even the endocrinologist said "people your age just don't ever have low testosterone". He said "just keep exercising". I did, and got sicker. So yes, you are right on. I'm curious though, whats your background? You obviously know quite a bit about exercise endocrinology.

I do know this. I was implying that it would be better that people get roids from their doc in controlled amounts. Rather than trial and error with dosages that WAY super-physiologic!

true statement. and if other people were satisfied with what there bodies could produce naturally and not try and push so far past their natural ability for the soul purpose of being better than everyone else... no one would juice... I have been on a synthetic testosterone before called Lupron. It was a medical choice at the time to stop menses. It caused me to go into menopauses. I had hot flashes and every thing. that is about as close to juicing as i want to be. I did that 2 times for six months each time. I was a guennie pig. interesting but i have had enough. I agree. Basically, I don't want to mess up my natural "god given" (I'm NOT religious) physique. Getting too big is not functional. Then I couldn't climb like I want! So you experienced T therapy? Thats really interesting! Actually, several months ago, when I was sicker than a stray dog with aids [intense giggles], my doc. put me on Testosterone therapy for several weeks. Basically, because my system was sooo haggard, I wasn't producing nearly enough of my own testosterone to be able to heal properly. I found that it made MASSIVE differences. Its my theory that getting supplemented "jump started" my own negative feedback system to start producing its own juice again (actually I think there is a study that hypothesizes this...). For months and months and months, my body and health were not improving. However, once I had my T levels back into physiologic ranges my health improved dramatically. My appetite came back and I regained my lost body wieght, I was sleeping insanely well, and my mood turned 180 degrees (Testosterone acts on receptors in the brain - hense athlete addiction to steroids). Once I came off of the supplement my own Testosterone production rebounded with a furry within a week. Its actually higher now than it was when I was on T therapy. All in all, I appreciate and understand the medical uses for hormone replacement. Because of my experience, I don't believe that anabolic steroids are as terrible and killer as our society thinks they are. Its a matter of not being an idiot, and being happy with your body and natural state of health. Its like almost anything in life, if you take things to the maximum you risk destroying health. Again, I'm NOT advocating steroid use, because screwing with the body's own systems is generally not a good idea! I am however saying that they DO have a place in medicine and science.

No, but overdoing dark chocolate will!

Sunshine stimulates the pituitary to produce Luteinizing Hormone (amonst a few other things), with elicits testosterone production..... That with calories and crap tons of sleep are all the performance enhancing supplements I need!

mmmmmm. That sounds really yummy Sherri! I'll climb and pass methane with you anyday!

I'm not saying I agree with drug use. I also never said that I admire Arnold because of his drug use (which in all honesty was 1) not that extensive, and 2) in the days before anyone knew about the endocrine side effects). I admire his attitude and drive. Also, you still think Lance used drugs????? How many negitive ultra refined blood tests do you need to see? The dude is clean!

OK so I've been visualizing this.... It makes sense. If a single joint is all of a sudden hypomobile, ligaments in the surrounding joints may get stessed as they take on the new load.

I'm not sure about injections. I'm seeing her this weekend, so I'll ask her! I'm not sure what it is my wrist needs exactly, because it only hurts like hell when I fall down on it - as I'm sure most people's do, except mine is 10 times more sensitive than it was before the fracture. When I don't bang it, it feels (almost) fine. It just clicks and cracks a ton.

He's got the best chemists money can buy. he got the best dope money can buy. hero he is not, neither is arny. they have tainted their own great talents to become farces. the laughing stock.......temptation ruins it all, everytime. Thanks for that pointless and uneducated lordly wanking.

I don't advocate steroid use, but I would be behind an open option for it. In other words, I think it would be more fair and safer if it were a legal option. Then, two circuits (of any sport)could be clear: the "natural" and the "augmented". I believe that what you chose to do with your body is up to you, and if you want to put steriods in it, at least do so with a doctor's close supervision. And don't compete against people who opt not to use this enhancement. That sounds simple, but folks don't seem to agree with it much. I tend to agree with this idea. Athletes will always be deeply attracted to steroids, and I don't think there is much that can be done about it. I believe (as I think the weed laws should be) that more focus be put on education. Roids are dangerous, yes, but it would be far better that people get them from their physician in a safe and controlled environment, over some shady mexican pharmacy producing boving and horse chemicals!

I don't know about you guys, but farting and burping at the same time is fantastically satisfying!

Mr. ZZZZZZZ, having small pathetic muscles, like marathon runners, doesn't mean that you are inherently flexible! Quite the contrary. Its my experience that most endurance athletes tend to have very tight areas (IT bands, hamstrings etc..). Also, if you looked at how flexible Arnold was at his peak, he would probably beat any one of us on here with a sit and reach test. The dude knew what he was doing! As far as advocating steroids, I don't think thats where Archy was going. Just that it is possible to use steroids in smart and calculated manners. Do not get me wrong, I DON'T SUPPORT STEROID USE, I am however aware that Arnold achieved what he did because of amazing genetics, dedication and concentration on his goals, not drugs. For that alone I hold him as one of my personal idols. In terms of the sport of bodybuilding being "homosexual", dude, that just speaks volumes about how insecure people are. Honestly, analyzing very well developed bodies is a fantastic lesson in human surface anatomy. Additionally, bodybuilding gives us the opportunity to truly see how muscles coordinate together to create a piece of art! There is just something utterly beautiful about symmetry. Simply because I think bodies are beautiful and interesting does not make me homosexual.

Thanks Layton. I will look into this. My mom is an OT/certified hand therapist, so I might be able to get some free treatment. We'll see!

I watched this movie last night! HOLY SHIT ITS FANTASTIC! I laughted my ass off through the whole thing!

Kevbone, do you like glaciers????

I could go somewhere I am not going to with this comment. Actually, it reminded me of the gizers at Yellowstone. EXTREME NOXIOUS SULFURIC GAS!

In my view there are very, very few circumstances where killing is justified.

It tends to be too loose.

YAY i like being right and smart about something I've read some of the Tao, and after today's disscussion I want to read more!!! I'm trying to figure out the physiology behind it, but not only do women have MORE orgasms, the ones they do have are like 5 times more powerful than men's! Maybe it has to do with a reflex arc. "flutter" at the lumbar spine..... Hey, Layton would know!

I did have an ex-ray about a year ago, and there were no signs of avascular necrosis. - I've done some reading on that condition, and apparently it wasn't too long ago that people with Scahpoid fractures would usually end up permanently disabled. So cheers and thanks to modern medicine! Last year's ex-ray did however show that the original fracture line is visible to about 1/4 through the waist. I wonder if that is something that can be completely reabsorbed as my bone remodels over time (although I don't think carpals remodel all that much in the adult wrist). I have found that strength training helps quite a bit. Just having all the supporting muscles built up and knarly seems to make a difference. But Layton, what exactly is prolotherapy? I've never heard of that. My only real concern (rather than me being a complete nuurd) is the risk for developing arthritis...

You bastard. I love and actually still have my trike! BMX makes you tough as nails.

with practice you can. people have this idea that it takes women so long to cum, this is not necessarily so. generally what takes a woman a long time is the mans unwillingness to go the extra mile where it counts. for each woman that extra mile is different. there is no blanket that covers all women in this area. it takes finesse and interest and some willingness to experiment. women are built to be multi orgasmic. it is pay back for child birth, cramps etc... and let us not forget, if you have sent sexy e-mails all day and whispered sweet nothings in her ear all through dinner and took the time to help her mind forget all the other junk that doesn't make her feel sexy... she might cum before you do a damn thing Yeah, physiologically speaking you guys are set! I'm not sure what I'd pay to be able to have multiple orgasms back to back. But sinse I'm incapable of childbirth, I think I'd pay in the area of $22,000,000 - if I had that much! actually men can learn to be multi orgasmic. i read a book about it once. if i meet a man who can do it.... well i call dibs OK Muffs. You've got me WAY INTERESTED! How is this awsome feat of skill and nature done??????

NO, NO, AND NO! I was trying to sympathize with the Bone!

Are there any medical professionals on here that know about fracture remodeling in the carpal bones? I've broken both of my Triquetral bones, my left Scaphoid, and left Pisiform. The fractures are healed, with the exception of my L. Scaphoid having a screw and a "notch and line" that hasn't yet calcified (after two years). My wrists feel super solid for the most part... However, every time I have any sort of unexpected arrest on my LEFT hand, my scaphoid and triquetral regions just KILL ME! And it usually takes weeks for the joints to feel tight and stable again. I'm now wondering if at this point the pain is ligamental, or simply that the trauma to the bones and joints has reshaped the architecture (my scaphoid certainly "sticks out" more than it used to) so that they are not articulating the same. I am so paranoid of falling down!