StevenSeagal

The footage was definitely cool and nobody disputes the skills. I just can't bear the pretension of modesty and accompanying faux-spirituality. Just shut up and climb already.

Just heard on the radio! "all of you in congress who we didn't vote for last time and would never vote for under any circumstances- we're voting you OUT in 2010! You're on NOTICE!!!" Ooooohhh!

"...all alone with the wind, the ravens, and my team of photographers. My self infatuation remained unshakeable long after I returned to the horizontal world..."

That's not cool at all. Freedom is aid. And that ain't free.

That's cause the part that Bush caused wasn't really that bad and should have been easily fixed but Obama screwed things up way worse. Actually Obama caused the whole economic downturn a couple of years ago, didn't you hear?

Cool, and thanks. I get what you mean and I respect that ethic. I also value the things you mention, but I've also never been a very successful onsight climber; therefore in some perverse sort of way failure is equally motivating to me. Redpoint is not as proud but barring the onsight, it's the next best thing.

Far as I can remember. I've certainly top-roped things, but nothing I ever imagined myself being able to lead in the future. That spoils the fun. I always trusted that either I could adequately protect the route or recognize that it was dangerous and then just back off. I've done plenty of that. BTW I hate falling....don't really trust the equipment enough. I respect that approach, pope. See my above post which I was writing when you posted this for why I think this just one way to have fun playing this game we all love. Bolting is another matter, I'm talking strictly about climbing style here

This use to be my belief and practice. If I went up to try it and fell, even if it later became a hard 5.11-5.12, it didn't matter and I walked away. (this was generally always cracks as I don't care for face climbing on bolts generally, it has to be totally unique or special) I don't mind toproping anything though, but they use to be different things for me. I am no longer that way and often tr then lead now, it's all good, just be honest with our policies and what does that matter anyway? Pope, you didn't answer the question on the Gorge trail...would you not find that fun to ride? which is why there's a distinction between "onsight" and "redpoint"- with the latter you did it clean but with prior knowledge. as long as people are honest about how they did it, I don't see how it matters. If someone chooses to walk away from a climb if they fall and never go back, that's their business, and IMHO, their loss. But in the end such rules are just different ways of making a game out of it. It's contrived according to one's aesthetics and biases and if you turn it into a religion that you feel the need to slag on others to reinforce, then that's just dumb. Pope sounds like he doesn't think it "counts" if you lead it cleanly after having tr'd it or otherwise failed to lead it previously- maybe I'm wrong. But the only concession I'll make it that such an ascent is not as impressive and pure as an onsight ascent. But you only get 1 chance to onsight- I think to walk away is just limiting the experience and there is great fulfillment in learning a route after much toil. And I do think it can allow one's onsight grade to increase concurrently...

Redpoint = whole bunch of aid climbing followed by a top-roping with a little bit of slack. So, are we to infer you have never worked a route on toprope until you felt strong enough to lead it? Everything was just onsight for you? Basically, it is unethical to attempt something unless you can onsight it, and if you toprope it first, you should never lead it because you've already inspected it? I'll withhold sarcastic remarks until you clarify you strategy. For the above, either trad or bolts apply.

He said he would have had to wait for three hours to get his Viagra and oxycontin cocktail.

Why should we read that crap? Rush already said Britain's healthcare system is horrible, that's all I need to know.

Handogging is sooo unethical!

how about "beats being a hangdog watchdog"? ;-) Even better. But that care bear is coming your way soon with talk like that!

Not that there's anything wrong with those things...

Okay, how bout "beats clipping bolts, hangdogging, and being gay!"

Wazzup Sea Gal? Have a nice weekend? Stellar. I got Into the Sun as planned, justice was served. You? I got into the sun, but not where I wanted to (my deck, painting). ah, yes...painting be what I'm doing right now! Beats being stuck indoors anyway...

More like "lick ass". What, are you and Billcoe competing now? Shaddup, you. He's my pal now. I've gone bipartisan.

Wazzup Sea Gal? Have a nice weekend? Stellar. I got Into the Sun as planned, justice was served. You?

"workers of the world unite" = commie scum Prole is associated with commies, like you. FOAD. That's two "FOAD's" in a row. You really need to mix it up with a "lick sack" or something to keep the upper hand in this disagreement.

I'm eagerly awaiting Raindawg and Pope's contribution to the "redpoint tactics" thread in the rock climbing forum.

How many billionaires do you know, Dru?

And you all thought this thread was going to be about socialism...

Still pissed the south lost the war, I see. Is that supposed to be some reverse Al Jolson racist shit? The blood thirsty negro in whiteface pretending to be one of the good guys? Had any luck jump starting the local chapter of the Aryan Brotherhood, cracker?

pres #2= Adams

My god, its Team Geriatrics, risen from the dead! Looks like someone started dosing the Viagra and Geritol again! Schwing! I think you got me mixed up with someone else, but sounds like you're a "bottom", I have some friends who know some folks who might be able to help you with that. So I guess the "Reacharound" has supplanted your Roundhouse? Have a good gay weekend, furball!