StevenSeagal

oh I know it's not new, you just keep reposting it as though it is. My perception of you is generally "nincompoop", but you might be right, in reality it's probably far worse!

So what's your next move given this outrageous new information?

Inside your skull!

kev, A pentagon is a five-sided object. But that's getting ahead of today's lesson.

Sit + spin! Geek!

On a side note, today's Peter Puget seems so comparatively sedate. Too many M's heartbreaks?

Dude, he's climbed Rainier. RAINIER!!! [pee wee herman molesting a clown photo]

Every thread can always use less of kevbone and the photo of his spent out, hepatitis-laden skin job he calls a pinup.

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE! Oh wait...they didn't use profanity in Raindawg's time, back then all climbers knew each other, had the same values, and didn't swear!

Predicted response: "you know nothing about my credentials, education, occupation, or penis size. So stop your speculating, Simple Jack, and check out my junk [insert clown photo here] [care bear photo]

I can predict the response that's coming: "...you don't know me or what I've climbed, buddy!" i.e. "I just might be an original badass you never heard about" Or maybe not. Either way, yer cruising for a Care Bear, DickHead!

What stinks in here?

fanboi. quiet! I'm trying to forge common ground with pope. So FOAD! (i don't really mean that kimmo, I'm just trying to bond with kkkkk too)

Bullshit. What Bachar demonstrated was what an incredibly bold and driven person can do in face of perilous risk. Bachar was an anomaly, I doubt we'll see another like him. Most people aren't even close to his league and never will be. You brought him up because you've done some bold climbing and soloing of your own and your point is "climbing should only be for the boldest and bravest among us....like me". Pure ego driven religious proselytization at it's best.

Pope, YOU are the one who brought Bachar into the discussion by posting his photo and asking "What would Johnny do?", in a manner-combined with all your past righteous diatribes- that suggests we maybe ought to be thinking, "whoa, Pope must have known him and might even be in the same league, we better listen to him!". Since you didn't get the joke- are you now carrying Bachar's torch for all of us, pope? I bet your just the guy to do it. If so, based on the tone of Bachar's posts that he made on Supertopo, all you need now is some tact, humility, and a good attitude (and no I've never met him or conversed with him). Good luck with that. I'm as amazed as you are by that mans' exploits, but your pretentious trotting out of him especially in the wake of his death was rather...interesting for lack of a better word. What, please tell, "qualifies" me to comment on this topic? Do I have to be climbing at a top level? A free soloist? Have soloed Brass Balls? Even Bachar, as talented as he was, was one man with one view, his being no more valid than the next guy. The fact that he was bold and talented beyond what most of us could hope for only proves he could walk his own walk. And for that he deserves respect. I'm pretty sure however that he didn't spend his time insulting others on message boards and turning his opinion into an intractable religion, which is not to say he didn't take his values seriously. So I'm left to discern that I'm not "qualified" in your eyes to comment on this topic simply because my view differs on the matter, although as I've stated, I actually agree to a point with some of your position. But you two are about as reasonable to debate as a street corner preacher, therefore the urge to fling poo in this thread is the next best thing. Carry on- not that I need to tell you to.

Oh you mean back when all the crew that ended up over at ass.com used to threaten to hunt down and beat the crap out of people on here? Those were the days, alright!

Good one.

One of the great ones. A life well lived.

They should leave her kids alone so we maybe we'll have a chance that she will also go the fuck away.

"Hi, the name's John, and I'm a hot-shit climber when Dave Burdick is dragging me up a helichopper-accessed rock in Alaska. You wanna know what I think? I'll betcha do, since I'm a celebrity. Well, sport climbing made me a stud and it will work for you too. In fact, there's no other way to get strong, so we need lots of bolts my friends. But I don't like 'em in the mountains unless I happen to be mixed climbin' a modern despo." At times, Pope, it seems that you're sincerely interested in getting people to understand and embrace your point of view on these subjects. But then, below the belt posts like the above made in response to a solid guy trying to offer a mature point for discussion absolutely kill your credibility. But hey, I'm a real prick, so off I go!

Did you decide to stick with Richard, or are you still in detention?

At the rate we're going Raindawg will soon be done with everyone on this site.

Prior to this post and the one you made immediately after, I thought you were just a harmless, fun guy with a big mouth. Now I think you're either ignorant or a real prick. Whether Bachar intended it (and I assume he did), the statement made by his solo of Father Figure, as interpreted by most, was that the traditional approach to climbing is superior. One could climb hard numbers, in more control and with greater safety by investing the time to learn the ground-up approach. Bachar was well beyond his prime at this point and yet he made child's play out of Cosgrove's route, making every move static. This was a demonstration of excellence, an inspiration and example of what's possible when climbers are willing to focus their efforts instead of taking the most expedient, most convenient way, wilderness be damned. The route, BTW, is short and includes maybe only four bolts. Would have made for an excellent top-rope climb and provided enjoyment equal to what the sport version offers. I was certainly amazed by Bachar's solo ascents. Who wasn't? More impressive to me is that he resisted rap bolting and sport climbing, in an attempt to preserve what was great about American rock climbing and avoid the eventual and predictable grid bolting we see today. In retrospect, he sacrificed his professional career by choosing to do the right thing. You know, Pope, not only have I always had complete respect for John Bachar's skills, boldness, and vision, but the truth outside of this filthy sandbox that we are all playing around in here is that I happen to agree with everything you just wrote. In case you didn't notice- in fact you didn't- my post had nothing whatsoever to do with Bachar and everything to do with poking you and Raindawg in the eye just to see if I could produce an emotional response. Like Pavlov's dog, looks like it worked again. So in short I guess this answers your question- I'm a real prick.

You almost found common ground with Prole, but then the car ran right off the cliff again. Oh well...

Theoretically, "competition" should be healthy and spur a better product, especially from the private sector if capitalist ideology is at all correct. What the private sector is pissed about is that a single payer would stifle the expansion of the tyranny they have enjoyed for so long via the total lack of oversight and regulation. I want to see both options, bring on the competition! The more the better.