ClimbingPanther

Does anyone else find Duke University's actions regarding their students disturbing? Guilty until proven innocent, in effect. Regardless of the charges and evidence brought against the kids, why would Duke treat these guys like criminals until they're convicted of a crime, as well as cancelling the lacrosse season and likely forcing the resignation of the lacrosse coach? Did Duke students sign a contract about not drinking alcohol and not hiring strippers? Duke screwed up a lot of lives over something that's being found out to be a big unfunny joke.

Trip: Hood - Old Chute Date: 12/31/2006 Trip Report: Short and sweet, since that also sums up the "technical" climbing... Weather & avy forecasts golden, so we set out at 4 am from T-line w/ 4 people, but one turned back halfway b/c crampon problems. Had my very first field encounter of a fellow cascadeclimber, OlegV. He was a very pleasant fellow, and they were doing Reid HW (TR? I'm waiting!). Snow conditions were cake the whole way up and back! No postholing, except down real low if you strayed from the groomed stuff. Heard of the ice cliff reports on the Pearly Gates, so we did the Old Chute instead since one member was less experienced in that aspect. We saw a guy ahead of us who did the Pearly Gates w/ one tool and one axe (!), solo (!!), and w/o a helmet (!!!). Whatever. Old Chute is the easy way up right now. You can see the tracks leading left from the Hogsback in the picture below, and you just go up directly to the summit ridge and traverse right towards the summit on the ridge. All I can say is Winter conditions are the most beautiful. Illumination Rock in a wind tunnel? Coming down the route Sweet-ice formations Hogsback area, showing one of two guys we passed on our way down Mediocre pics of the gates. Yeah, that's the soloist. Gear Notes: 'pons & axe Approach Notes: boring and dark

Agreed that April is a good call. Keep in mind that the Pearly Gates is an ice cliff right now. Don't know how much the ice-cliff action will change over the winter, but be sure to check out reports just before you climb. Learn a bit about the options for variation from Crater Rock to the summit to give yourself the best chance at success.

I was on the summit of Hood on Dec 31 because I do everything I say I am going to do, and from my perspective, I believe my camera zoomed in on a speck which could have been Arc, though this is only my humble speculation. He seemed to be making good progress around noon. Of course, there could have been a rock in the snow that I was mistaking for a person. That dang 6x optical zoom from 100+ miles away just wasn't enough to be sure.

As I read through this, I was hoping to read more about some of these amazing "options" people knew about for dealing *effectively* with violence... I say live and let kill. Hmmm, that just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Never underestimate what I am capable of feigning... Mr. Layton made this mistake, not that you can fault the victim http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=21&Number=619953&Searchpage=1&Main=47064&Words=onion&topic=0&Search=true#Post619953 I will fess to not seeing you pay much heed to any of the Hood sprayers, and this guy just got some special lovin from you, so I wondered. Forgive and forget?

Absolutely no offense meant, billbob, but this was a jewel!

Moderately Moderate Moderators Moderating other Moderates in Moderation and Moderateness Wow, this is so pointless I'm fearful of being moderated. oh no... Moderately Moderate Moderators Moderating other Moderated Moderates in Moderation and Moderateness

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH

Of course not, I am too moderate to need moderation. Just a deep thought on a Friday afternoon, nothing more. SHOOT! I missed a form of the word! Try this: Moderate Moderators Moderating other Moderates in Moderation

Say it five times fast. Does using profanity give you a unibrow? Deep thoughts for a Friday afternoon.

Here's one related thought I have been having which MAY actually have some value for people: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/627445/Main/627445/#Post627445 Knowing what we know now, how much fuel would have been necessary to keep the single person in a snow cave alive for a whole week up there, or could fuel have even made a difference? Is a week's fuel a reasonable burden to carry?

If there is one lesson I'm taking away from the Hood tragedy, it's that extra fuel doesn't weight much but could save your life. The capability to make hot water from the snow around you keeps you hydrated and warms you up, and it doesn't weight much for the possible benefit it can give you. My question to those who have spent at least several days in an alpine environment with snow-melting as the only source of water: What volume/weight of white gas fuel (or # of canisters) is necessary to sustain you on a per person/per day basis? Fuel has always been guesswork and luck for me.

All this has got me thinking about the philosophy of summitting. I just keep thinking about how you have to believe you can do it, no matter what stands in your way. Oly, you really remind me of Luke Skywalker, not Yoda. Remember when Luke was trying to get his X-wing fighter craft out of the swamp, and couldn't do it, then Yoda did it for him? And Luke said "I don't believe it!" And Yoda said "That is why you failed." OK, talk amongst yourselves now.

Boots: La Sportiva Trango series. Depending on what season you will use them in, you may want to go with one of the insulated versions. Best all-around boot you can buy, in my opinion of course.

Here's a little eye-opener. You try to give the guy a chance and help him out and what do you get? I never used the ignore yet, not even on Kevbone, but this guy is just too much! If he's for real, then his has got to be the biggest and blindest ego I've ever seen. Such a shame it has been wounded so badly here! ClimbingPanther enthusiast Registered: 07/21/05 Posts: 304 Loc: The Tri, WA I'm not sure what to think about you yet, but you seem to occasionally make a meaningful post so I won't write you off. Here's a tip to make all of our experiences better on this site. We're not a bunch of ego-driven blowhards, and we're not summit-crazed unsafe maniacs, so don't try to insinuate this and nobody will get angry with you. I don't know what type of "climbers" you are used to meeting, but the vast majority of people on this site are not stupid and we know the risks. We all read more than our fair share of info about the recent tragedies, and we've had about enough discussion at this point. There's really nothing new that anybody can add, so we're tired of people bringing it up. I don't know if you are the same person as the Shiniwhatever/Seahawk/beartoothMT/etc, but you sound just like him sometimes and everybody hates that guy. If you really do appreciate the people on this site who come across as more moderate and conciliatory, then try to be like them! Credibility is gained here not by being the best climber in the world or summiting the best mountains, but by contributing meaningful and/or funny posts and refraining from holier-than-thou rants. CP _________________________ Excuse me, but are the noises in my head bothering you? Top Edit · Reply · Quote · Quick Reply · Quick Quote Unread By: none #70136 - 52 minutes 48 seconds ago Re: A little friendly advice jonmf76 jonmf76 clueless twit Registered: 12/12/06 Posts: 47 Loc: Oregon Your ego is clearly bigger than your brain. People on this site are the biggest assholes I have ever met on any forum anywhere. A forum is supposed to be a place for discussion and conversation, but that is not possible when some pencil dick like yourself simply jumps on the new guy because they don't know him. It is pointless to try to talk with such juveniles. I could care less about gaining respect from such a bunch of dildoes. Top Reply · Quote · Quick Reply · Quick Quote Unread By: none #70137 - 51 minutes 43 seconds ago Re: A little friendly advice jonmf76 jonmf76 clueless twit Registered: 12/12/06 Posts: 47 Loc: Oregon And clearly the moderators are no different. Note the juvenile name change they gave me to "clueless twit"...really, really mature. This group seems like a bunch of 16 yr. olds stuck in their parents basement. Top Reply · Quote · Quick Reply · Quick Quote Unread By: none #70149 - 5 minutes 1 second ago Re: A little friendly advice ClimbingPanther ClimbingPanther enthusiast Registered: 07/21/05 Posts: 304 Loc: The Tri, WA then why cant you stay away? _________________________ Excuse me, but are the noises in my head bothering you? Top Edit · Reply · Quote · Quick Reply · Quick Quote Unread By: none

To a very small extent I share your suspicions! Oly doesn't commonly jump in to the fray like that

I have had this exact phenomenon. I researched it but don't think it was true frostnip, although it was still scary. It started in all 8 fingers, but was only affecting 6 within the next few days. A couple weeks later, it was 4, then down to 2 after a month. Another couple weeks and numbness was all gone. You'll recover fine, just give it time. To prevent this in the future, I agree with above sentiments, especially paying attention to hydration. This is key. Also if you have big gloves, you can slip a handwarmer in between the liner and the shell. I've done this before and it's beautiful

~ When your partner is jonmf76?

and in preparation for the imminent thread-relocation to spray, Alpinfox, I'm glad you chimed in on the genetic topic. I was hoping you would, you gene-splicing fool, you.

You said it griz, jonmf, I for one didn't even read your whole post because I could see by the first few lines it would be more of the same monkey-at-a-typewriter stuff I've seen you post time and time again. You have no credibility here so don't expect a conversation.

BD shrikes, oooh yeah. (used only, I think) Light (1lb 8oz), cheap ($40 range on ebay), what more can you ask for? Like Couloir, I wouldn't recommend the straight-shaft version of these for real ice climbing. Those funky skinny-shaft Grivel things might be good too though? Some versions are light, but not full length. Alp Monster may be one to consider.

he's right about the spray, there's a bit too much of it outside of Spray, but I suppose this is nothing new, eh old timers?

shhhhhhhh!!!

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