kevbone

Right on thanks.

That sucks....its hard to remember this but the gun did not kill anyone.....the person pulling the triger did all the killing. The gun is not the problem.

What routes are you talking about?

Nope Never climbed at Suicide…..climbed a bunch at Jtree. Sounds like its got Suicide beat. I climbed a slab route there…..3 bolts on a 160 foot route. Now that is run out. But runout is in the eyes of the beholder. I personally don’t like to be runout. Being scared is not why I climb. I agree….to fall off a slab you would need an overhang beneath it to FALL OFF THE SLAB. You are an idiot. So we should agree you fall DOWN the slab.

Hell no!!! Kevy thinks 10' above a bolt on a slab is runout. So exactly when does it become runout? Are there a specific number of feet? Or are you just talking out your ass like you usually do? If you don’t think the possibility of falling 20 feet onto a slab is runout, then you have an ego problem.

Looks like fun.....where is the Goat wall? What state?

Hell no!!! Kevy thinks 10' above a bolt on a slab is runout. Thanks for telling me what I think.

What about the chain ladder that provides access to Merci Me from the left? What about it? I am not aware of what you mention.

Wow...wish they would do that here.

I do not think we are battling. We are having a disscusion. Ladders at craggs????? there is no need.

Why would this interest me?

Yes

The next ingwie. F7m3aIuGlUg

I love Brazil......

Blowboarder made a funny.

I would see if you added a cable to the nose then it would be the same as adding a bolt to an exsisting route without asking permision from the FA. That is bad in my mind. Totally different from IB. Thanks for all the good conversation JH.

um....i dont know...JH...you are missing the point. If someone put cables up the nose "that would be an atrocity". IB was done with the best intentions. And quite frankly.....they got to it first

Thanks trashtalkinkena for all the added spray, buy which side do you fall under? You are clearly not clear about it.

Yes killing the gorillas or all the redwoods would be harmful......is bolting this face killing something tangible? I asked you this early....maybe you missed it. What is a ferrata?

Are you telling me the "harm" is an idea?

JH. smoking in a daycare physically harms another person. Bolts on a rock face does not harm another person. two totally different things. The bolts up there did nothing to harm anyone. They only harmed your way of thinking. Nothing else. And by you wanting to chop it, tells me you dont want me climbing the route.

This statement is untrue and you know it. If someone was smoking a cigar (which I love) and I did not like it I would leave the area. BUT I WOULD NEVER TAKE THE JH OR RAINDAWG APPROACH AND MAKE SURE NO ONE EVER SMOKES A CIGAR AGAIN. That statement is an exact and entirely appropriate analogy. No one is suggesting you don't climb bolted routes. I and others are suggesting the bolted route in question shouldn't exist where it is in the same way cigar smoke and dog shit don't belong everywhere. The analogous claim you are making would be saying that the fact you can't smoke your cigar in a busy restaurant or a daycare center is depriving you of the right to smoke cigars. Or to suggest another analogy, recommending you piss in a restroom urinal as opposed to the gutter in front of the Heathman Hotel is in no way infringing on your right to take a piss. WTF are you talking about. I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion. I would never smoke my cigar around anyone who did not like it. Or at least I would walk away from the group AKA smith camping. Or if I am at my house on my deck (which you have sat on) I would tell the offended to fuck off.

Not big enough for my taste.

I agree with that. Yank those frickin anchor out.

You guys and your ethics.....i would like you to climb dreamer on gear.