kevbone

Where is your helmet?

Climb more. Seriously.

I am sorry Rudy. I cant help you.

Blake and Sol. Nice work on this climb. Tom, incredible send, thanks for sharing. Tom, where thinking of renaming this entire route? Or just this one pitch? Again, awesome job.

Rudy. I am not telling anyone what to do. Where did I write that? You are the master of putting words in my mouth. I am not sure you have the ability to understand what I am talking about. I think it is a diss on who came before you. Pure and simple.....I dont think it is meant to be disrespectfull......but it is. IMO.

Please show me where I wrote people are changing names " TO BE disrespectful". I never wrote that. I think it IS disrespectful. How the hell am I supposed to know what people are thinking? Jeezzzz......

I dont even know what to say. How tragic

So.....did you free it placing all gear on lead, or was it a pink point?

Please clairify your comment.

Kev IMO you look like an ass on this topic. Tom and his partner can rename the route or just the pitch. HIS choice historically and rightfully so. After a couple of the posts on the CBR thread I know I would. We can only guess at the motives....as it should be. CBR Full Tilt IV 5.12C COOL! (PS) D. Cramer, who has done as much hard FFAs as anyone locally covered it in less words and better in the other thread. Well Dane, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I dont believe in renaming routes, simply because you climbed it in a different style. Just because it has been done in the past does not make it something I would do.

Dean potter freed that old Jimmy Dunn aid line and renamed it. I thought that was crap.

This is VERY bad.

Does not make it right.

Why obviously? By this new standard, she could name it "screw you" or something stupid and the world would just have to live with it.

WOW!

Since you are speculating…..I will too. I suspect the person who named it was the first person to most likely aided it with aiders. Long before Trotter showed up.

not that i really give a damn about your droolings here, but at least keep it consistent. Too bad you are not able to sense sarcasm when reading that statement.

Yes this is what sparked this issue. Nice send Tom, but IMO, you are totally dissing the FA party. You dont get to rename this route. What a shitty thing to do.

Agreed Yes Yes it is no argument there. But that is not the topic. It’s about renaming a route just because you climbed it in a different style. Yes, I think that to be a huge disrespect. Correct. Seriously….do you think it would have been cool for Lynn Hill to rename “The Nose”? Would it stick? What would she name it? To me that would have been a joke. I know of a situation on a sporto route at a local crag, where the guy who established the route (cleaning, bolting, trundling) got hurt so he could not do the FFA. He put a red flag or tape on the first bolt and the locals respected this for almost 2 years. The climb had been top roped and freed. No one has even tried to lead it yet. Then another local who had different ethics stepped up and led it against the wishes of the FA party. He wanted to rename the route which already had a name that coincided with other routes in the area (the area had a theme). We talked him out of this……but it was the “idea” that he would rename this route simply because he climbed it in a “different” style that left a bad taste in my mouth. IMO I think the idea behind this concept is lame at best.

I am not fighting anything. I just think it is a disrespect of those who came before you.

Did Lynn Hill rename the nose?

WTF is with this? This seems to be the thing of late. You free an existing aid line and you get to rename it. I think this is crap. So you climb it in a different style and you get call it something different. Lame!

I did not think it possible to "hate people with speed accents"....like Peter Croft.