kevbone

Totally agree.

Well, as part of the FFA party my vote is no new bolts. Again, it doesn't need pussifying just so old guys can get on it without jeopardizing their parenting skils. How about four bolts on Blood, Sweat and Smears? It would see a lot more ascents if it were 'upgraded' too. And two bolts at the start of Free For Sum? That would sure allow for more than the handful of folks who lead it now. It all comes down to who established the climb. If Bob established the climb and said yes to my request then your opinion is irrelevant. If Jim said I could add a bolt to the second pitch to YW then it does not matter what the community thinks. If the FFA team to BBS wanted to retro there own route then they could. I think this logic is clear and simple.

I disagree on the authority. It is almost a universal rule to ask the FAA/FA/route establisher permission to touch there route. I asked Bob Mcgowen if I could fix Stone Rodeo, since he first bolted and climbed it. He said no problem and there were witnesses. It does need fixing. If it were rebolted, and the pins removed then maybe more folks would get on it. As it stands now...it is a total waste of rock IMO.

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So you accidently stole the FAA. I still think Bob has the authority to say yeah or ney to adding bolts since he bolted and cleaned it.

So your friend climbed it totally on gear?

I wanted to "retro" bolt, not rebolt this, about 5 or 6 years ago. The route has gone to waste due to a poor job in the first place. It is such a striking line and it never gets done because of poor pro and bolt/pin placements. So I asked Bob (in person, he did the FA) if he minded if I fix it so your average 5.12a climber would not be so scared to get on it. He told me (right in front of Jim) to go ahead and add as many bolts as I see fit. Then I had kids and kind of retired from putting routes up. I do want to get back to it someday.

I saw a guy on it two weeks ago on a Sunday. You must have missed it.

How do you know that Vern did it last? Have you been out there every day?

lets ask.....

Very cool!

Jesus or Gandalf, same thing. They are both fictional characters out of fictional books.

Say it an't so!

Where is this place at? I sure hope you got in some of that water.

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Nope....too thin and too fake looking for me.

Are you saying this does not turn you on?

So if I post a picture of Bush or Hitler that means I love bush or Hitler? Your reasoning does not make sence?

Nice work guys. Get well soon Jaime!

you sure have nasty taste in women. NASTY. How do you know my taste in women?

Cool!

Does this thread need some old school?