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"line of site is a hollow argument" was directed at JH. Sorry.

Am I supposed to answer that from a picture with circles drawn on them?

Would you risk pissing off thousands of hikers than risk disturbing the birds? Is "line of site" the only variable? I have a friend who rapped in the nest at Beacon a few years back. He pulled a snickers bar wrapper and a Pepsi can out of the nest. You think climbers are to blame for them? The nest is right under a shoot. IMO these items where thrown over the edge by hikers. The biologist in charge years ago made a statement. He said he did not want anyone within 300 feet of the nest. The climbers at the meeting pointed out that the trail to the top that has thousands of tourists walk it every year is 200 from the nest....so by his own words he needs to close the trail. He changed the subject and moved on. This actually happened. I could make this shit up even if I tried. This is the reason why so many climbers at Beacon are upset. We all love the birds but this particular situation is unique. Line of site is a hollow argument.

Is it too much to ask from hikers as well?

What about hiking / walking near nests?

What loaded question to ask! Good times.

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I practice so I can be good like him one day. He is truly one of the very best. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES1RypBww_g

Alternating picking and sweeping. Getting my scales down within different rhythms. Basically just keeping my chops up.

I heard it was JH.

Tell me how you really feel...and this time dont hold back.

Once you pull the mantle past the second bolt. There is good gear down and left. A yellow alien and a stopper work great.

It does not even need to be there.

Why are you even clipping it?

You did it anyway.

Beacon Rock has a very strange closure surrounding it. They close the rock from Feb to July ever year but only to climbers. Hundreds of thousands of tourist can walk freely up the side within a couple of hundred feet from the nest and for some reason they are not a distraction to the birds. The Washington Fish and Wildlife are full of shit on this. Especially since the birds are not considered endangered anymore. Doesn’t that mean they are not longer “endangered of extinction”? So if they get bothered by humans they just move their nest? Cue JH comeback 3…..2…..1

Unless you get permission.

Of course not, but in this case the FA is still around and had an opinion on it. Agreed ! I do as well. As long as they had permission.

Replacing bad bolts has nothing whatsoever to do with ethics or 'laws', whereas retrobolting established routes does. And when you are talking about adding bolts to long established climbs then you are just asking for trouble regardless of what the FA thinks because at that point your 'community' is vested in the climb. No, that is incorrect. Established climbing protocol and procedural rules take precedence over any personal preference. I so agree.

got ya

Are you talking about rapping "into" the ledge?

For the most part I agree with all you posts but this one is wrong. If the FFA/FA/establisher of a route tells Joe to pull or add a bolt on a climb that is established and the community loves....then go ahead and do it. It is not up the the community. We would never get anything done if you "put it out to the community" to make a decision on bolts. What I learned from putting up multiple routes is you cant please everyone. Putting up routes is like painting a picture. It is art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

So a number of people would go against Jim? That is unbelievable. Totally irrelevant and you know it. Jim asked you not to touch it, and you did it anyway. Talk about a slap in the face. PERIOD, END OF STORY. You can justify it all you like but at the end of the day we all see through you and see what kind of a person you are. Now if Jim had given him your blessing, we would be having a totally different conversation.

True enough except it would get pulled in a heartbeat. Are you saying you would go against 40 years of tradition? I guess you are considering Jim told you not to touch his route and you did it anyway. If Jim ever ok's me to add a bolt to YW, I would not hesitate and I would not care what you thought. ITS NOT YOUR ROUTE AND YOU DONT OWN BEACON ROCK. I know you act like you do but I guess the Beacon Reality-Distortion Field is strong with you.