JosephH

It plays every February 1st like clockwork.

King of what? The flea circus of Beacon climbing? And climber mandate? At Beacon? You're kidding, right? The only mandate you'll get from locals is to deliver the collective whine. And hey, young climbers with time to devote to being good and who climb at Beacon keep their head down, accept the closure, and climb elsewhere when it's closed. They don't wail and moan claiming addiction, insanity, forced out-of-state moves, and suicide because the Odd Fellows Hall closes down each year. Me? I have limited time for climbing, don't climb sport, and don't care for granite or Smith choss. My time at Beacon is pretty much what I get for climbing every year and I made the call try and do what I could to get the most days out there possible. I'm not working for or at the behest of locals or anyone else - if they want something done, good luck to them, hopefully they won't be aiming at their foot again.

We've already done that square dance...

That would be great unless the person on the inside of the WDFW never comes up with the balls to actually say something to someone. So far, the whole lot of you have nothing but [whining] opinions. And those are wholly rooted in victimal persecution and angst at the injustice of it all. God forbid a single one of you might snap out of it long enough to get even a mininmal grip on reality, biology, law, or the other humans involved with Beacon. Now I know Beacon locals are averse to and challenged by more than a sentence or two of reality and facts, but then I don't really post up for you guys. But as a biologist with bonifides feel free to point out where I've drifted from reality, facts, biology, or law in any aspect of the matter. And I'm not interested in followers (not really the extended manclub type) - or whiners, the victimal, the persecuted, or other assorted losers too steeped in their beer to do more than bitch about a situation they are completely unwilling to do anything about. I am interested in peers capable of recognizing a plate and willing to step up to one. So, hey, no need to be nice to me, I don't really give a shit what you or the others think of me. And don't fucking call me a 'friend' when that's mainly evidenced by petty sniping, innuendo, and associated bullshit here - 'friends' like that I don't need.

I'm not the one bitching or flinging insults around on all the various threads. If they were moderating bitassy comments like LCK has been flipping off lately then this thread wouldn't be necessary. If Kenny has something to say to me on these forums or anywhere else then knock off the weak bitching, whining, and sniping and man up and just say it. The rest is bullshit.

Wouldn't that be speculation that could be taken as an overstatement of the traffic Madrone sees? Seems like Elaine and the County would be responding more strongly with the community if that were really the case. Monitoring is good. I'm booked and not interested, LCK isn't interested beyond bitch fodder, but some of you who care about Madrone should probably pick that up as it's unlikely any agency is going to assign anyone to do it at a level that would result in any real data.

Thanks...

Well, I go climbing at Beacon in June, 4 years out of 5. Personally I'm not willing to leave it entirely in the government's hands whether I get to do so or not with no say at all in the matter. As opposed to you, of course, who is completely happy to leave it to the guberment to decide the matter - but hey, no suprise there, I'm sure you don't want to rock the boat (or paycheck) at WDFW.

Bummer, but it gets to be a point where sniping whiners who do nothing but bitch really do merit a thread of their own in case they have anything remotely frigging productive to contribute.

That'll be a lot of speculative sussing - define 'significant' in a way that any agency official would take as credible. Climber's opinions and perceptions of what's acceptable to the Peregrines never have and never will carry any weight due to the history and clear bias involved. Now if you had the nest location, real traffic numbers and route specifics, and a couple of nesting seasons under your belt you could maybe build a case for it. Beyond that it's all just the same cry of persecution and government injustice that's entirely wasted on anyone who could actually change things.

Because beyond bitching I don't hear or see shit from you relative to doing ANYTHING towards getting us more climbing at Beacon. Dude, you work for the very same WDFW that closes Beacon every single year... Dude, you're the biologist... Have you even once gone and talked to anyone at your agency in a position to lift the closure or in any way change the status quo out at Beacon? Have you spent a moment trying to come up with biological basis for lifting the closure out at Beacon? Have you spent a moment trying to come up with a legal basis for lifting the closure out at Beacon? Have you done anything at all that would get anyone a single extra day of climbing at Beacon? Hey - don't fucking like my trip? Fine, you're the friggin' pro, step the fuck up and get on it - get and keep Beacon open for us - you're obviously just the dude to do it. Until then you can kiss my ass.

Who is the 'they' that spotted the chicks? That there are chicks out there means the Beacon Peregrines are about where I've been thinking they probably were relative to having hatched out. Bodes well for an early open if the pairs are in relative sync in both places. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if they fledge at approximately the same time.

Again, you either want to deal with the problem or spray about it. Conservatives in general are way into wailing and light on the doing. Most of the doing they do involves stripping money from our lower and middle classes.

Is there some part of this you just aren't getting: They were only able to buy Second Chance Armor at bargain basement prices because of the scandal - they had nothing to do with producing the bad vests - the company they bought after the scandal broke did.

Wiki "Second Chance Armor" and "Armor Holdings" and look at the timelines of the NIJ action and the acquisition.

To be fair to Kanders, the defective vest were made by Second Chance, inc. and Kanders' Armor Holdings scooped them up in August 2005 two months after the National Institute of Justice declared the vests defective in June 2005. Legal work on the issue and fines didn't wrap up for a couple more years. Kanders definitely isn't who I would have running BD, but he wasn't reponsible for the bad vests, Second Chance's previous owner, Richard Davis, was.

Trust me, that's a debt society is in no rush to collect.

Eight-year-olds, Dude - eight-year-olds.

The entire wall over there was fixed when we did Epi. Looked to us like anything one chose to do over there would good. Not sure if anything up on that wall could really be contrived - at least no more contrived than Sandstone Samurai.

No need, I geared up to solo WFLT and Zodiac before doing my shoulder in again. At this point the only agenda I have is wrapping up the lingering...

I would, but don't have the shoulder to blow on aid climbing at this point.

LCK could certainly be the man any day he chooses to man up, walk into work, and get Beacon open for us.

Well, there ya go - what else are ya supposed to do when the wheel keeps coming off the car like clockwork twice a year...

Yeah, definitely 'my' approach. God knows it's an esoteric one - you know, one that involves "talking" with "the man". One that involves trying to figure out what's happening with the birds every year so we can go climbing at Beacon as soon as possible. It's the icky one that involves reading all those nasty laws and regs. You know the one that's yielded about ten extra weeks of Beacon climbing since I began being sick of not climbing until July 15th. True, I admit it's the antithesis of the wailing and whining, stick it to and tell half truths and lies about "the man" approach that's worked so well in the past. But, hell, if it gets me on stone sooner I've pretty much adopted a straightforward fuck you attitude towards those who prefer whining to climbing for the sake of historical political correctness.

It's your agency that's closing the rock. I'm still waiting for you to step up and approach your own agency to keep the rock open all year round. There is no legal way to do that from the outside, but hey, you're the inside man at WDFW. I have no doubt you could make it happen if you would just take advantage of your position and apply yourself to the problem. Until then, my approach gets us more climbing days out there than waiting for July 15th every year.