Ireneo_Funes

If I french free a 5.6 move am I deconstructing it to A0?

no, it's more like a stream-of-consciousness deal. Like a postmodern Finnegan's Wake... I mean a modern...no, postmodern... which is it, NOLSe?

Second the vote for a pub club. But we have to call it the OR Hardman club.

Don't let the beat drop, guys. Take it to a new level.

According to speedclimbing.org, Jacques Derrida soloed slipstream in 45 minutes with his golden retriever. He rated it A1/x, in which x is...la differance. He also mentioned that all these signifiers are bullshit anyway. This is expressed by the following equation: y'alls fucktardedness/colin's radness = 0

I personally feel terrible... Shapp, check your email for my TR on my free solo of the Turkey Monster. If you like it I'll post it in the new Oregon Hardman forum. But only if you like it!

Iain programming his VIC-20:

Good for you. And you also exhibited good judgement by heading down in shitty conditions even when a partner wanted to press on. ...And that's what this climbing thing is all about, right? Making our own judgements, being responsible for ourselves and looking out for our partners. We can make the judgement whether or not we're going to take advice from strangers on cc.com, and we don't need a disclaimer on a TR to know that maybe wearing sandals on Dragontail isn't a good idea for everyone. We should also be able to take a little well-intentioned criticism too.

Great shot of the rocks w/ the moon above. What's the ruined building - a monastery?

Can a hairless rat get in on that interspecies cuddle action?

The kitten and the pig think that we should all just try a little harder to get along....

Crichton makes some good points about the naivete of city-dwellers vis-a-vis the practicality of country folk, but I don't buy his thesis. First of all, "environmentalism" may encompass belief systems ("religion," if you like), but it's broader than that. It means different things to different people. It's disingenuous for him to try to pretend that environmentalism is some kind of formal institution, rather than a vague collection of sometimes contradictory ideas and impulses. And sure, lots of so-called environmentalists are starry-eyed Romantics who like the idea of the woods better than they like the woods themselves...but really, I'd probably prefer their company over the "practical" yahoos going mud-bogging in their ATVs. It sounds like he's got some real minority-report information about DDT, the icecaps, second-hand smoke, etc. I sure would like to see that stuff footnoted.

C'mon, Greg - get your ethnic epithets right, OK? A Mick hails from the emerald isle. I think Gowans is a Jock.

Clearly Mike's working through the 12 steps of Climbers Anonymous... he's making amends to those who've been hurt by his climbing. Seriously, though -- keep the aggro TR's coming, and keep pulling on gear whenever you can.

This is unreal. Hope the tribe continues to take their stewardship seriously instead of going for the buck. I'm not a skier, but if I was... there's no way in hell I'd patronize Meadows.

That's too bad. Lyme disease has a lot of different symptoms, not all of them really obvious. Some folks just feel fatigued, others have joint pain. I was lucky because my main symptom was obvious - Bell's Palsy, where half of my face was paralyzed. Plus I knew that I had been bitten by a deer tick not long before. Hope your friend gets some good medical care and advice.

OK, I don't know a thing about the Bitterroots. That said, I think it's kind of cool that there's some areas out there that aren't all mapped out with topos and beta on every pitch. Keeps some of the spirit of adventure, you know? The mountains in your photo look incredible.

In the 4 years I've been living in the NW, I have yet to come across a deer tick, which I believe is the most common carrier of lyme disease. There may be other ticks out here that carry the disease - if anyone has information, I'd like to know too. If you think that you may have been exposed to lyme disease, talk to a doctor as soon as you can. I saw a doctor within a month of contracting it, and the antibiotic course they put me on seemed to take care of it fully. But I have a friend (in the midwest) who waited too long (his symptoms weren't as dramatic as mine), and years later he's suffering from debilitating pain in his back and knees.

The local pronounciation of "Madras, OR" is also probably quite different from that of a native speaker of German, Italian, Russian or Tagalog. But more to the point, it's not pronounced the way someone from India might pronounce it (mah-DRAS).

Chris, great job helping out the injured climbers. And thanks for posting your account here. I think that for a lot of us, trying to understand how an accident happened is one of the best ways that we can learn how to climb more safely. I'm not surprised that this thread has moved into a debate on whether or not helmets are necessary, because it really sounds like both the climber and the belayer might have been saved some injury if they'd been wearing hard hats. Though it's hard to tell without more information - maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. My two cents - I always wear one, no exceptions. It doesn't get in my way and gives me some peace of mind when rockfall, dropped gear, beer bottles flung off the top of Rocky Butte, whatever... is a possibility - basically anytime I'm climbing. Plus I whack my noggin on roofs more than I care to admit.

I'm pretty sure it's "nitpick."

Bill puts me to shame every time I climb with him - glad to hear I'm not the only one!