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I know in Idaho there are laws against "fornication", which I think they defined as any sex outside of marriage. Unlike most states they actually prosecute for it every few years. It stuns me a bit, but they only end up prosecuting, single, pregnant girls who are 18 or 19, and of course they never say who the father is. Seems like a very effective tactic. Now she's, single, pregnant, and has a criminal record to boot!

This we know, the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. This we know. All things are connected like the blood which unites one family. All things are connected. Whatever befalls the earth, befalls the sons of the earth. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself. Chief Sealth

He says he's staying on through the rest of his term (slightly less than 3 years). At the moment, he hasn't done anything illegal, just tarnished his reputation.

No, it's poetic justice because he's right-wing, and anti-gay rights.... Now's he's being accused of molesting two boys 20 years ago (both accusers are felons so this may be questionable), but the Spokesmen Review set up a sting, and he ended up offering a Spokesmen Employee posing as an 18yr old homosexual an internship with the Mayors office in exchange for sex. from the Seattle Times Rumors of West's sexual orientation have followed him throughout his political career, in part because of his opposition to gay-rights measures. Last week, he opposed a Spokane City Council ordinance extending benefits to the partners of city employees, but backed away when council members said they had enough votes to override any veto .... He has opposed legislation to protect gays and lesbians from discrimination, and supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a state law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. In a 2000 mayoral debate, West was asked about having an ordinance banning discrimination against gays and lesbians. He told The Spokesman-Review, "I don't think we can carve out special classes. Especially if it's a class where people still disagree if it's a learned behavior or one you're born with." In 1986, he supported legislation that would have prohibited gays and lesbians from working in schools and day-care centers, according to The Spokesman-Review. In 1990, West sponsored a bill in the Senate that would have outlawed consensual sex between minors and required school districts to stress premarital chastity, teach "honor and respect for monogamous, heterosexual marriage," according to a Seattle Times article on the legislation.

I just love our President and Legislative bodies at the moment. They obviously know what's best for us out here in the west. After all, weren't the roadless rules just meant to set aside timber to be logged at a latter date? taken from CNN WASHINGTON (AP) -- The last 58.5 million acres of untouched national forests, which President Clinton had set aside for protection, were opened to possible logging, mining and other commercial uses by the Bush administration Thursday. New rules from the U.S. Forest Service cover some of the most pristine federal land in 38 states and Puerto Rico. Ninety-seven percent of it is in 12 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming. Governors can submit petitions within 18 months to stop road building on some of the 34.3 million acres where it would now be permitted, or request that new forest management plans be written to allow the construction on some of the other 24.2 million acres. Some officials made it clear much of the land will remain untouched. "We have no plans to build roads in the roadless areas of the national forests in California. ... Areas are roadless here for a reason," said Matt Mathes, a regional spokesman for the Forest Service in the state. Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said his agency, which includes the Forest Service, would work closely with governors "to meet the needs of our local communities while protecting and restoring the health and natural beauty of our national forests." Democrats questioned why governors were getting so much power over land use. "Trees, wildlife and fish don't respect state boundaries, and I don't think decisions about management of roadless areas -- or other parts of the national forests -- should be based on those lines, either," said Rep. Mark Udall of Colorado. "The Bush administration's decision to gut the 'roadless rule' is a gift to special interests and a blow to the environment," said Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York in a press release. Eight days before leaving office in 2001, President Clinton acted to take decisions about roadless forest land away from local federal managers. Environmentalists said the managers often were too close to logging companies and other developers. "Any short-term economic gain that would result from turning over these areas to corporate special interests is significantly outweighed by the economic benefit of keeping them intact," said Steve Smith, the Wilderness Society's assistant regional director for Utah, Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico. "This takes us straight back to the early 1990s, when the national forests were managed as nothing more than tree lots for the timber industry," said Philip Clapp, president of the National Environmental Trust. The Forest Service will have final say over the governors' petitions. But the agency is creating an advisory committee to help put the rule in place. The agency said petitions from the states could be based on requests to protect public health and safety; reduce wildfire risks; conserve wildlife habitat; maintain dams, utilities or other public works; or ensure that people have road access to their private property. With the federal courts deeply involved since President Clinton's action, the fate of the regulations is in doubt. On Wednesday, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals heard arguments from environmental groups appealing a Wyoming judge's ruling overturning Clinton's move. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld Clinton's rule. Many of the same issues apply in both cases. Agriculture Undersecretary Mark Rey, who oversees forest policy, said the new rule would cut away the legal uncertainty by getting states on the side of the federal government. He emphasized that the rule probably would not lead to a big spurt of road building. "We've only been constructing a few miles of road each year," said Rey, a former timber industry lobbyist. Jim Angell, a lawyer with the Earthjustice law firm, said plaintiffs already are lining up to challenge the changes announced Thursday.

Air Guitar seemed a bit soft, but George and Martha seemed pretty honest to me. (but then again i've o)nly led 3 5.10 cracks so what the hell do I know?

Either is a huge improvement over watching jerry springer or dawsons creek though!

It is, with breeder reactors. The US doesn't like breeder reactors because there are groups who want fissile material for "other" uses, so this requires higher security (countries like France are willing to provide this security). Fusion power (if it ever gets off the ground) would produce a limitless supply of energy. But with every science project budget cut it's day gets farther away. Fusion is a great idea, but hasn't it been perpetually "20 years out, with sufficient funding?" Breeder reactors are certainly a great idea, but as memory serves i think France only has 1(???), and we developed one down at the INEEL but the work was discontinued. Certainly makes good sense to me. Politically though it's a hard sell. A lot of people are terrified of radiation, and nuclea waste, and with area's like Hanford and Chernobyl they have reasonable cause. One of the funiest things I had heard was that while Germany is very green, and very anti nuclear power, they can't produce enough electricity. So they end up buying it from France which is producing most of it with nukes As for limitless, only until we run out. Until we start tapping fusion directly out the sun or another star with a multi-billion year life span, there are only finite amounts of anything available. Eventually it'll run out or our energy usage will increase or.....

and the 2nd i'd likely browbeat into coming would be fine I think. (leading 5.8/5.9 bolts, and 5.8 trad all clean but ready to lead a little harder, following 5.10a/b (d at exit 38 ) bolts and trad mostly clean. Occasional hang on sustained strenuous 10ish stuff)

by "honest" I guess I mean is it something a solid (on a variety of terrains) 5.9 trad climber could lead safely and cleanly. Not necessarily comfortably, but at least confidantly, beyond 5.8 but not yet 5.10. (Most people would agree it's neither sandbagged nor soft) etc etc. No I don't think they're purposefully incorrect, but at the same time how a rating feels is dependant on what a climbers abilities are. "IF" I were putting up new routes anything slabby I put would likely recieve "honest" or slightly sandbagged ratings, while anything overhanging would probably be soft. No dishonesty, but i'm much more comfortable making thin, less than vertical face moves, than juggy overhangs. Of course I would expect a range of difficulties, and in the end all ratings are subjective both to local standards, and to the type of terrain your most comfortable on. but... according to local standards... is it honest? say, harder than 5.8 (Dogleg, The Arch, Spaghetti, Sauce), but easier than 5.10 (Air Guitar, George and Martha, Bo Derek) etc.

I'm interested in taking a shot at Outer Space latter this year and was wondering about the 5.9 traverse pitch? How honest is the rating? I've read a few different guidebooks and they all rate the climb 5.9. However what little (awkward crack with bad feet?)... So.... for thos who've climbed it, what do you think?

so what you recommend producing the hydrogen with? Wind, Solar etc are great, but again, very limited overall capacity. In addition, if were talking using methane to produce hydrogen, how much more efficient, and how much cleaner (ie. tons of CO2 per year) is it? Electrolsis would be relatively clean, but how efficient? Nuclear is certainly no silver bullet, and it to will have some limited life span. I somehow doubt that the supply of fissible materials available is effectively limitless. And ok, so it's 70% efficient, in large part due to waste heat. I'd be willing to venture a guess that given a litle thought that waste heat could be put to good use in some fashion. As for the others..dangerous, radioactive waste, etc? well, the long term waste storage is an issue, but in all reality at least we have it completey contained, we know where all th polution is going, and what's it's doing. We just need a good place to store it. As for dangerous? How so? I rather doubt we'll ever see another catastrophic meltdown like Chernobyl, that was a combination, of very poor reactor design, coupled with the actions of morons. (The Operators were actually seeing exactly how long they could continue to produce power while they were actively draining the cooling fluid. And in thos reactors there was only one cooling loop instead of the standard 2 utilized in most Western Designs) Three Mile Island? (as memory serves the actual amount of radioactive materialy released into the environment was relatively small. ) Are there any other incidents of note? (as memory serves there was a fire at a British reactor in the 50's? that was a bit ugly, but again, a technology in it's infancy.)) In general the containment systems in modern reactors work pretty damn well. How does this compare with XXX number of tons of CO2, SO2, etc released from fossil fuel plants? It isn't a panacea either, but it's immediately available, extremely portable so your not losing energy due to transmission, and can be operated just about anywhere regardless of location. (SO it has the advantages of fossil fuel tech. with lower transportation costs, and more contained waste products. gets my until we find something with an equal energy production capacity that's cleaner and more sustainable)

The real question is, WWBD? (What Would Beckey Do?)

In most peoples cases, hind sight is 20-20, in mister, i've never made a mistake it's more like 20-alternate reality.

It's thursday, i'm not that sharp on thursdays you'll have to help me out a bit , or in the morning, or after . Pretty much, tuesday afternoon, i'm sharp on tuesday afternoons! How close of a reading would you like? However close is legal in Idaho

The spring one was two weekends ago. Was awfully small though. Very little climbing gear, lots of clothes if you were a medium woman or large man though. I was sol, and ended up just picking up a few more cheap biners.

obviously not if she's been bangin the best man Kind of harsh to screw the parents and familys over though it's not their fault she's a slut.

It's thursday, i'm not that sharp on thursdays you'll have to help me out a bit , or in the morning, or after . Pretty much, tuesday afternoon, i'm sharp on tuesday afternoons!

Are you speaking from experience and of course we know what's important, it just differs from what women know to be important.

eh, those are just details. If it's healthy it doesn't matter. It's not that guys don't care, we just only feel compelled to know the important stuff.

his "girlfriend" made him watch it huh? Methinks they deserve each other and will have happy, vapid children, who will also like American Idol. The species was perpetuated, and it was good.

It's a gift and a symbol of HIS commitment to marry her, and typically that necessitates fidelity. He fucked up. Unless theres more the story she held up her end of the bargain and he didn't. Without some pressing reason she should do as she pleases with it. I'm sorry but he deserves whats happening to him. She screws up, it goes back, the relationship is mutually agreed to be over, it goes back. He's a bastard, she keeps it or does as she pleases.

If there isn't a ring an a date your not really engaged. And five gallon jugs in Lingerie just isn't enough, make him do the approach from Redpoint in "full gear" then send him Zebra Zion . And be sure to have someone on route to get blackmail shots for later. regardless, it's best to let it simmer for a while and not make any rash decisions. It'll give her time to realize he's an ass, not worth her thought and effort, and she should just donate the proceeds from the ring sale to charity. Well that, or come up with an even more deviant and cruel punishment!

Hell is other people.