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Trip: Lane Peak - Lover's Lane Date: 1/13/2013 Trip Report: AC, CG, SG and I drove down to Rainier to climb Lane Peak on Sunday morning. We got to the Longmire gate a bit after 8 am and it was already open. Temps were quite nippy - about 15 degrees. The snow conditions were about what we expected - up to a foot or so of new powder on top of an older crust layer. It was breakable in places. We used snow shoes part way in but they were not helpful on the traverse under Denman, so we stashed them in a tree well. We opted to rope up for Lover's Lane, but without a belay until we checked it out. CG led up with 2 pickets and got out just over a rope's lengh. It started out cruiser but there was a firm steeper bit, so CG planted both pickets and brought me up. I then stretched out the rope and we simulclimbed to the top from there, placing 4 pickets and 1 black tri-cam. AC and SG followed on a 2nd rope. In places the snow was reasonably pleasant, where I could easily kick through the few inches of powder and get purchase to move up. In some spots my knee was functioning as a snow plow and wallowing was more involved than climbing. As I got near the top there was a nice breakable crust on the surface that I kicked through to get easy kick steps. This petered out near some small trees on climber's left, and the crust just broke away in plate-sized chunks that proceeded to fall, shatter and pummel my partners. I am not sure but I believe I heard exclamations of "Fuck Me!", "Get me the fuck out of this place" and "Dude, you're killing us, just fucking top out". There was a short, "interesting" downclimb to the tree for the rap down into the zipper. All the slings there were encased in a ring of ice, so we added two fresh ones and rappeled down on two ropes. One might have worked (with some down climbing on snow) - not sure. We then unroped and solo'd the top of the Zipper which is 100% deep powder now. As it was late in the afternoon, we snapped photos and headed down rather than tag the summit. We were a bit late getting to the Longmire gate (which closes at 6) and had to sheepishly ask a Ranger to let us out. Gear Notes: Ice axe, 2nd tool, pickets.

Ask your doctor. Ask someone at whatever place administers the flu vaccine nearest to you.

Science is hard!

Science is so hard!!!

It's all moot 'cause nothing that's ever worked anywhere else will ever work here -- we're too different. if only half the gun nuts put so much energy into losing 40 lbs or learning something to improve themselves. just sayin'

But do revolvers? I mean as opposed to say, a semi-automatic Glock? It would be nice to know, but in 1996 Republicans in congress successfully removed the budget line item that used to pay for exactly this kind of federal research, and then passed legislation blocking it from returning. You can thank then-Congressman Jay Dickey and the NRA for that. http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470 I guess it is all moot anyways as a large number of guns-rights people are of the boner's mentality that the 2nd amendment is not about self-defense or hunting but arming yourself against the gubmint

Nope. Not at all. Agreed. They went off the side towards the Upper Enchantments - a lot less risky than going over the N aspect.

Dave or Sam?

But do revolvers? I mean as opposed to say, a semi-automatic Glock?

Hunting rifles are for hunting, and I was talking about self-defense. Yes, there are plenty of good, modern hunting rifles that people should be able to acquire. Generally they don't require large-capacity magazines and rapid-fire. Kind of the idea of hunting is killing on the first shot. Pretty easy to come to agreement here amongst sensible folks - again w/o resorting to a discussion of 1776-era muskets.

I think we can agree that a shot gun or revolver are 1) adequate for home defense and 2) within the spirit of the founders' intentions and the 2nd amendment. All without bringing up the ridiculous proposal to go back to muskets.

It's hard to overstate just how profoundly ignorant that statement is. considering the source, par for the course

I'm a lot more afraid of "preppers" stockpiling weapons in bunkers than I am of my own government "coming to get me"

Not.

You'll be officially old yourself soon enough. Chronos is a motherfucker. :-)

And back then the 1st amendment was primary for political and religious free speech not for the right for Ivan to be as disgusting and offensive as he prefers to be on a daily basis. :-)

A shotgun.

red herring anti-guns people repeatedly claim that use of a gun in defense very rarely happens and if it is tried, it is very risky and likely to fail. GGK: bugger off, you are on permanent ignore wtf, red-herring? relevant to my argument. interpret the 2nd amendment in the "originalist" fashion conservative jurists are so in love with. the founders gave you a right to a musket, no more. also, "red herring" to say those who aren't for a wild-west gun environment are "anti-gun" This homeowner had a revolver with 6 shots. She fired them all and hit the intruder 5 times and he fled, later unable to continue due to his injuries. He is in the hospital. A musket would have been a failure to do much in this case.

red herring anti-guns people repeatedly claim that use of a gun in defense very rarely happens and if it is tried, it is very risky and likely to fail. GGK: bugger off, you are on permanent ignore

Wait... this never happens (according to trash)

Perhaps you should give up your aspirations as most of your posts sound like they're written by an autistic 12 y/o high on crack. Irony alert!

Definitely not our Vanya - he is a wanna-be russkiy chelovek.

Yes, but Nastia is Russian, and tough as nails.

Bummer. Blue balls suck.