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I think Marlet should cite some of his sources when he spouts off. It might lend a bit of credability to some of his rants.

Things are not looking too good for Bush, even his friend's are starting to be rattled by his ineffectiveness.

Would or should a person consider Bush and the rest of his cabinet to be equally guilty of atleast some of the war crimes in which they have accused Saddam of, or Milosevic? What about Tony Blair? Discuss....

I bet Bush and his boys just needed some new porn material.

Now this statement is sooo true from the first word to the last period.

Distel, You are incorrect for several reasons, one is that both problems Szyjakowski listed as having flakes borken are not overhanging only slightly more or less then vertical so you can still pull down and not out. Secondly if you read Sherman's book only bouldering you will see at one point on overhanging rouyes you will need to transfer your power from pulling to pushing and thus applying downward force on the flake. The people who state that rocks fall aprat are true, but it tends to be climbers with poor technique whom acclerate the process. Try being less offended and take the advice as a possible way to improve the situation for all.

Not to start a debate but I personally do not think that LCC is better then the City of Rocks. Plus when climbing in LCC you have to be around a whole host of religous zealots which taints the flavor.

If you are looking into a light weight tent, I say go with some parachute cord and a hardware store tarp. Much more cost effective, lighter and versatile. I save the tent for when there is real weather for a longer durations of time. If money is an issue then I say buy what you can at a deal as equipment should not be an excuse for an adventure.

Climbing is dangerous so each person must accept and mitigate the hazards in the way they see fit. Simul climbing is no more dangerous if done properly but two or three competent people then leading climbing done by the same people.

Mr Klenke, I don't think I have ever signed a summit register before, I see little importance in it personally. But whatever floats your boat.

City is only 3 easy hours from SLC and Boulder is what 7 hours from SLC so you are still looking at 10 hours of driving. I would think that Veudvoo would be a better use of your time, unless of course you have already been there. It was also snow free as of 2 weeks ago, except for small patches of snow.

Someone here must be a guide?

I would compare them to some piece of junk that you never want to use and hate yourself for even purchasing. They do have their place somewhere in the climbing world but to effort to find that place is a waste of time.

I belive Black Diamond/ Chris Harmston did some testing in relation to biners that were scooped from the base of El Cap and if my fading memory serves me right something like 99% of them passed all tests that new biners are subjected to. Lawgoddess, aid climbing has taught me to place protection better in general, I personally do not think that I would subject myself or my partner to a placement that I hold no confidence in.

If that is the case then you need to pull down and not out. Any seasoned climber could figure that out, pulling out creates leverage against the flake and thus altering the route.

I will give you $70 for them.

Here is an excerpt I read a few days ago, I think it disproves GregW's theory and re-enforces the secretive nature of the Bush government. A quick google search can bring to light many other items related to all this. Granted you can search and find a similar amount of counter-information if you want, so choose which side you want and enjoy the ride. Ashcroft Is Unprintable, and Glad of It By Todd Gitlin and Jay Rosen The Los Angeles Times Thursday 25 September 2003 On tour, he bars the press and cozies up to local TV reporters. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft, who is continuing his tour of the country to promote the Patriot Act, has at several stops, including Buffalo and Philadelphia, refused to speak to print reporters. While television correspondents can often breeze right in, their newspaper colleagues are kept at bay by Secret Service agents doing the bidding of the nation's chief law enforcement official, who prefers audiences of handpicked enthusiasts and interviews with local television reporters.

The key to Vw ownership is definatly to learn to do the work yourself or find a good mechanic, which most claim to be though are not. VW's are grossley underpowered and though they can achieve freeway speeds it wears on them quite quickly. The westie van's are way overwated with the cabinets being poorly designed and a waste of space. Driving with a full water tank or propane tank reduces engine capacities something like %25.

Just like skiing in Utah and Colorado people rarely tend to venture beyond the established tracks! I guess that is good for the hearty soul! Looks like a nice day out in the mountains!

I think without a topo getting sucked further up the chimmeny is more promenient then most climbers like to admit as the traverse looks slightly improbable. It sounds like you had a great weekend and no matter what that is what counts the most!

A prime example of "known" risk aidding in a fatality was that of Walt Shipley, who died on a river(Cherry creek) he had boated a hundred times or more. Whereas he had/has set some of the standard for bold routes on less then perfect rock/protection. "Live life the way you like it and call it good", That is my mantra. Tho the wife prefers a few more calculated risks in her assesment.

Hmmm... I have not really messed with the wire length too much, as I have just started to dip them and found the results so far promising. I am sure you know how it is sitting around drinking with friends "brain" storming on neat little ideas.

I have climbed out at Swauk once about 5 or 6 years ago and while the rock is not the best, the area does offer some beauty and solitude with some adventuresome sport cragging. I would say check it out and enjoy!

Now this is very cool for you people to do! Kudos to you all and when I get back into Oregon there is a bottle of scotch for you all to enjoy.

Not totally true, look at both the WC and Metolious cams and they both have shorter stiff wires then the BD. In 10+ years of service I have only had one tcu wire break and it was more from a faulty swedge then cable faliure and one friend trigger wire break. Whereas I am nearing the point of purchasing a hand swedger just to fix BD trigger wires. Though I have purchased some tool dip like matrial and have started to coat the trigger wires to prevent some fraying.