Blake

Porcupine peak (summit)is not visible in that topo mike

http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/393492/Main/392664

The best of Trask, '04 compiled anthology.

David James Duncan That book gave me deeper appreciation for baseball. It reminds me a lot of "East of Eden".

"The Brothers K"

I'm in your situation as well, snowbyrd. I've got good apline stuff, bt i didn't particularly like hauling it up hood/st. helens etc. I think your options for being able to get up the mountain on skis are: Tele, Apline Touring/Randonee. I'm planning on taking the AT route here, but I havent seriously shopped around for gear yet. Any overall advice or specific recomended makes and models would be appreciated.

THanks bill. He can't get off until this evenenign, and i can't get off until tomorrow morning. sorry. -Blake

Sounds like we are stuck in stormy b-ham, wirlwind.

Wirlwind, you are in B-ham, yet carless like me, right?

Anyone from B-ham want to go down sat or sat/sun?

Sahale (from the Arm) is more like "Now you've been on a glacier, and on some rocks" There really isn't a lot of climbing involved, its more an alpine excursion. However, the summit is a great spot, and I agree, the views are fantastic. I think it is free-soloed quite commonly. (maybe the norm)

It's more fun to say manly Wham, like HAM, but to be technically corrected it's pronounced the less fun way. I climbed Castle Peak from Manley Wham (the campground, not your slab) this summer. I'd definitely say that you should pronounce your route however you want. Now I want to climb it though, and maybe become the first person to do both "Manly Wham" climbs.

Manly Wham (pronounced to rhyme with the word "prom" like High school Prom) was an long time chelan resident and doctor who made trips up and down the lake to attend to emminent medical needs in remote areas. I'm not sure if he was forced to camp at the Manly Wham spot due to a storm, or if it was just named for him due to local prominence.

16-point BEST POST OF THE YEAR! This might be a possible topic of my next paper...

kinda boring in there.

Might be 4.. D-Backs, Halos, Fish, and now BoSox/Astros?

I hope the sox hold on, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why the hell is Pedro in?

Crampons and an Ice axe would be my call. The summit is 4th/low low 5th and doesn't require a rope to be done pretty safely. The first time I was ever up there, a few augusts ago, there we guys skiing the glacier. Being able to go from just below the rocks all the way back to the car would rule! Although the snow level is now about 3K feet, so maybe it's be a post-holing mess.

Yeah, but here's the real question, what is the campground name's origin? and what is the proper pronunciation? I bet Lowell Skoog would know, but he seems to only be on the NoCa board. Anyway, that's the info I wanted OffWhite, I had never heard of the route and wanted to know the Lake chelan connection. I'll check back later and see if anyone knows hows the route/campground got that name and how to say it. P.S. anyone else been to that campground?

Washington has a "Skookum Puss" Mountain.

If I'm on trail, and I know there are some creeks, I'll carry a few ounces or none. If off trail I keep a minimum of one quart in reserve.

Details on this.. anyone?

Where/what is the Manly Wham?

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/?040830crat_atlarge Skepticism about the competence of the masses to govern themselves is as old as mass self-government. Even so, when that competence began to be measured statistically, around the end of the Second World War, the numbers startled almost everyone. The data were interpreted most powerfully by the political scientist Philip Converse, in an article on “The Nature of Belief Systems in Mass Publics,” published in 1964. Forty years later, Converse’s conclusions are still the bones at which the science of voting behavior picks. Converse claimed that only around ten per cent of the public has what can be called, even generously, a political belief system. He named these people “ideologues,” by which he meant not that they are fanatics but that they have a reasonable grasp of “what goes with what”—of how a set of opinions adds up to a coherent political philosophy. Non-ideologues may use terms like “liberal” and “conservative,” but Converse thought that they basically don’t know what they’re talking about, and that their beliefs are characterized by what he termed a lack of “constraint”: they can’t see how one opinion (that taxes should be lower, for example) logically ought to rule out other opinions (such as the belief that there should be more government programs). About forty-two per cent of voters, according to Converse’s interpretation of surveys of the 1956 electorate, vote on the basis not of ideology but of perceived self-interest. The rest form political preferences either from their sense of whether times are good or bad (about twenty-five per cent) or from factors that have no discernible “issue content” whatever. Converse put twenty-two per cent of the electorate in this last category. In other words, about twice as many people have no political views as have a coherent political belief system.

I think this pretty well sums it up. I bought them both a little small because Lighter is better and all that. After a few times wearing each one, I realized that the mediums would have been a better fit, but wasn't in an area with REIs over the summmer. I didn't buy these in an attempt to scam. I just think it's silly that if I walked over to the REI right now and bought a small, they'd let me exchange it for a medium tomorrow, yet I can't exchange my current small for a medium, because it was on sale. This is the EXACT SAME jacket. Oh well, I guess I'll just wear the small. Reduced ounces come in handy on summer alpine excursions.