my poor excuse for a tape glove fell off right after that, so technically I didn't use them for most of the "5.11 climbing". but that is neither here nor there, because some might argue that I didn't really "climb", but it is all semantics because I made it up to the top. You could said that I was aided to the top, or even that I was "spirited" to the top if it makes you happy. Bottom line is I got to touch some really nice rock. I hope this "TR" is making you think about Index today.