olyclimber

What would be funny is to take the conversation (as circular and non-productive as it is) to the next level...insulting people and posting funny pictures which results in getting you banned! after you get banned, then you can claim that you were censured somehow! Brilliant. i'm tempted just to flush this whole thread down the toilet. Seriously, what has been argued here that hasn't already been said in the various other IB/bolt-or-not conversation threads? Have our main protagonists here actually learned something? Have the various people who have gotten their egos entangled is this conversation learned something? I know I have not heard a single thing argued that actually builds on what has already been said. It would be interesting to hear from some other people who might be reading this thread, and the usual suspects just STFU. Or...you can sit around and stroke your ego. But keep and mind that if thing get out of hand (as they are above right now), you risk getting banned...and it isn't because of your political/environmental/climbing views. Its because you can't have a civil conversation in a regulated forum.

About 440 new measures officially became law Sunday. Here are a few: # Cutting into the ferry line will bring a $101 fine. # Schools that teach sex education are barred from using an abstinence-only curriculum. # Foster children, who previously lost government support when they aged out of the system at 18, are eligible for Medicaid coverage until they are 21. # The new domestic partnership registry confers some of the rights of marriage to same-sex partners and older, unmarried straight couples. # The new state vegetable is the Walla Walla sweet onion; state amphibian is the Pacific chorus frog; the state ship, the Lady Washington. # Porphyria patients, those with extreme sensitivity to light, now qualify for special parking privileges.

Montezuma's revenge!

So who here has gone to one of these things? Fess up, I want a TR. Do you drink Old English? Come on Dru! ADMIT IT!

Its only a severe mental wound!

I think this fellow is not fighting with death, but with reality!

Just look at this tomfoolery!

ah, for the days of yore when you could count on a man to handle his sword. nowadays, every fool who goes to a renaissance faire thinks he knows the art of the sword!

I have a chalice from which I drown myself in mead

i broke a few speed records/limits just the other day. I'm not going to post about it though.

I suggest you read *all* the posts about infinite bliss. i think i read about a much faster time than that!

yum http://www.thepioneerwomancooks.com/

its refreshing to see someone with such high ideals, whose beliefs have not been crushed by the complications of dealing with the mindset of the masses. I'm not a climber either, but I play one on a bulletin board.

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SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!

Jay, tell those fancy pants SCIENTISTS and DOCTORS to SHOVE IT, and THINK WITH YOUR GUT for once! What are you from France? Real Americans don't need your fancy science to know what is right.

Back when I hunted, I didn't view it as a sport, no more so than growing my own vegatables was a sport. I wanted to know where my meat was coming from. It was work, that had some sporting elements (like using a trad bow). But I know a lot of hunters viewed it as a sport, which was part of the culture about the entire experience that I didn't like. Well put. Although I am not against hunting as a sport, I do not personally hunt for sport. I do not consider my impetus for hunting superior than those who hunt for their own entertainment (I am, of course, against poaching). I started hunting b/c I couldn't afford meat any other way. On the other hand, I fish and I pretty much only catch and release. In essence, I only fish for my own entertainment. This, on my mind, is ethically equivalent to those who hunt for pleasure. And yes, the animal is not killed--but I think the logic is about the same. So, you spent $$$ for a tank of gas, a gun, ammo, licenses, those cool looking technicolor vests, etc...because you couldn't afford chicken at .99/lb? Bwahhhh! You po black chilluns sho kno howda make up dat shit talk.... Your version of hunting is pretty different than mine. I was given my first gun, I caught a ride with my hunting buddies, I didn't and don't dress up beyond the regulation $2.99 orange overvest, paid the $48 Idaho license fee and bought a $15 box of ammo and had meat for myself, my man, and my random guests for a year. My meat was clean and butchered by me in my clean kitchen. I stored it in a chest freezer I bought used for $25. And I know that the animal lived well and died quickly (b/c believe it or not, I actually like animals and don't want them to live in feed lots). I know I will never change anyone's mind about hunting with my logic and my feelings behind my actions. But I do think it is important to discuss it--especially with people who "embrace diversity" and all that shit (that may not be you, but I'm just saying...). Different strokes for different folks. You also won't change anyone's mind about not being able to afford meat...which is as cheap as dirt. You hunt because you want to, not for economic reasons. Which is fine...but your trying to bullshit us about your 'rural poverty/hunter gatherer' upbringing is a bit hard to swallow. One of the best movies in the whole wide world is Deer Hunter.

its a lot easily to bag deer up there than a moose. how about this fish!:

Here is a pic of my brother and family with Bambi:

Here are more pictures of what it is like to live authentically: