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Woah! I didn't expect this level of excitement over the Valhalla Known As West Seattle. This Hamlet, nestled on the East Shore of Elliot Bay features views of Mt. Baker, Mt. Rainier, the Brothers, Mt. Constance, Vashon Island, and of course the unmatched skyline of Downtown Seattle (including the Jewel of Seattle, AKA the Space Needle). West Seattle features a rich history, and being the Most Beautiful Area of the Puget Sound, attracted the very first settlers to the area. Where else an you get fried chicken in a historic log cabin, delight in the best vistas of the Olympic Peninsula, climb on the first artificial crag in the United States, gladhand with rock star neighbors, stroll through an unblemished coastal forest that features a wilderness field yet is right in the city, or bath in outdoor heated saltwater swimming pool? Where? I thought so! YES! Only Wonderful West Seattle. Come join us in unrivaled sumptuous living, found only in lifestyle magazines such as Martha Stewart Living and Dwell Magazine.

WOW PORTER THAT SOUNDS GREAT! TELL ME MORE!

Jay, when you come back (if you don't fall in love with the East coast as you seem to be doing), then there is a HUGE castle for you to move into that is nearly completed that is pressed right up against my property line, and even though the property was much lower in elevation than mine, then new fortress towers over my little squalid lean-to. In fact, the new colossal contribution to the Seattle's square footage fills its small lot right to the letter of what is permissible. The spacious spec manse is sure to meet your discerning tastes, and though cheaper material have been used in the construction, it LOOKS PRETTY GOOD and will surely fetch well over 600 to 700 thousand precious American Dollars. Then, while you tower over my ramshackle Hoover Hut, you can enjoy what the world has be talking about....the comfort and amenities of Glorious West Seattle. Unmatched living close to all that Downtown Seattle has to offer (sporting events, world class entertainment, a newly expanded art museum, shopping, nightlife), but hurry back to West Seattle to browse the West Seattle Farmers Market where you'll walk with a bag of fresh produce while you sample delicious baked goods and exquisitely crafted handy work of local artisans. Then stroll into to Easy Street Records to hear the latest tunes while the strange but wonderfully coifed hipsters prepare expresso to your exacting standards. Run up to Metropolitan Market and get the rest of your gourmand cooking needs, and then finally retire to your castle and enjoy incredible views of Mt. Rainier and the Olympic Mountains. West Seattle will comfort and nurture, bringing meaning in your life when before there was none. It was give you a reason for being, shine your shoes, and walk the dog. It will put your future kids through college, give you massages after a long day at the office (hand release optional), and detail your car. West Seattle, oh GLORIOUS WEST SEATTLE!!!!111!!!!1

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Peter, you better be there wearing your uniform too!

Are you sure it wasn't beans, not meat?

DID YOU ENJOY THE SPIT???

You are the Haughty Intellectual. You are a very rational person, emphasizing logic over emotion, and you are also rather arrogant and self-aggrandizing. You probably think of yourself as an intellectual, and you would like everyone to know it. Not only that, but you also tend to look down on others, thinking yourself better than them. You could possibly have an unhealthy obsession with yourself as well, thus causing everyone to hate you for being such an elitist twat. On top of all that, you are also introverted and gentle. This means that you are just a quiet thinker who wants fame and recognition, in all likelihood. Like so many countless pseudo-intellectuals swarming around vacuous internet forums to discuss worthless political issues, your kind is a scourge upon humanity, blathering and blathering on and on about all kinds of boring crap. If your personality could be sculpted, the resulting piece would be Rodin's "The Thinker"--although I am absolutely positive that you are not nearly as muscular or naked as that statue. Rather lacking in emotion, introspective, gentle, and arrogant, you are most certainly a Haughty Intellectual! And, most likely, you will never achieve the recognition or fame you so desire!

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Joseph, Sure, there is no legal "right or entitlement to bolt". It is about what is legal and fair for people to do on public land (private land should be at the discretion of the owner I would think). But if there is also no law prohibiting the bolts (except for placement method in Wilderness, etc)...so a compromise must be made somehow? Isn't this the publics land, and there are many differing opinions out there. How do you reconcile "Don't bolt where bolts aren't wanted" with a viewpoint that all bolts everywhere must be chopped? Another example building a trail on a public land...it too scars the land from its pristine state. The starting point should be some agreement to the exact use of the resource (either developing for recreational use it or maintaining the pristine state). However, even if such micromanaging happens, I'm sure that Hayduke will live on...

SARCASM ALERT!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

dmuja, I don't mean to belittle your beliefs, I have complete respect for your right to hold them(and I share many of them with you). The fact is that the climbing community is filled with people with differing and often conflicting beliefs (like Christian vs. Islam, etc). Is there a way to share the common resources without total annihilation of the opposition?

Now thats funny

At any rate, here is analogy of some people having a serious discussion in spray :

Serenity, I believe the reference was jokingly referring to language used by our current president. For the record, there a number of things that can get you banned from here, but having a different political beliefs is not one them. In other words, you will never be banned just for stating a political belief that differs from say...an moderator or admin. It is ALWAYS something else, even if that action that results in getting your banned was provoked by political discussion on the board.

Its clearly because you don't APPRECIATE them Off. You should spend more time with your freedoms, and buy them flowers every once in a while.

Serenity, all these posting are being saved in a secret room with a straight pipe onto the internets, and Off and his ilk will be dealt with soon enough

Well, if the cops aren't knocking on your door Off, then clearly things must be A-OK!

you are wrong. there may be people in the organization that are sport climbers and are particularly interested in protecting sport climbing...but that is actually not it. if you're assuming this based on who the WCC board is, then you must be a mind reader, and a poor one at that. and how easily you over look the things the WCC has done for climbers as an organization. if you look around at any other interest group, in order to have any representation in our chosen form of government, then you have to organize. the cool thing about anarchy is that you have no responsibility and you can just spend all your time tossing stones. good luck with that.

Have you ever clipped a bolt (not just in a climb, but at a set of anchors)? If you have, you're a hypocrite based on what you say above. Are we not vandalizing "momma nature" just by building a road somewhere or even starting up the car? Clearly humans should leave the planet immediately, they're not NATURAL! Sure, in wilderness areas, power bolting is illegal, and there are rules you need to follow...but you're really coming off as lunatic fringe. At any rate, while your beliefs are perhaps (I can't speak for these other people and what they believe) shared by a few others here on the site, they are in the clear minority. Unfortunately for you, your tactics of not organizing and just chopping routes are just going to back fire on you, if your goal is to prevent the "defilement" of areas such as Exit 32. The bolt will just be put back up, and you'll just cause more scarring of momma nature's rocks.

"Safety Break Coordinator" "Elite Spray Force Team Member" "roj is my homeboy"