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And since nothing like a view from the right gets this place all riled up like a bobcat in a wet burlap bag, I submit the following. linky Given our loveable guv's recent statements vis-a-vis budget surpluses and education, maybe this will make the fur fly and send kevbone home with a warm fuzzy. Or, it'll fall over DOA and kevbone will have to chew a cold bone in his lonely wet cave. Your choice.

This sounds vaguely familiar now that you mention Friedman. Will have to dig this up.

I couldn't get past the first 15 seconds. The first thing I noticed was the cameraman/woman chowing down on some Doritos. The whole thing was an ugly (in more than one sense) LSD flashback.

Interesting idea JayB. One question though, what if said kid isn't working for an iPod and new amps but for college. Expect him to have his 520 set up or something? How does that work if he's not just trying to cover tuition but books and food and all those annoying administrative fees?

The point is, Mr. Mentally Challenged, is that you have presented no clinically-based peer-reviewed 'conflicting evidence' apropos flouridation. You've wasted a lot of bandwidth touting your 'superior lifestyle choices' but haven't spent much time backing up your argument against what we were talking about initially. You're starting to sound like a politician: obfuscate and misdirect.

12. Time to do what we all say we are going to do and solo Thermogenesis.

For water flouridation, that's a pretty lousy analogy.

One extreme result of this mindset is, of course, that no scientific studies are valid unless they validate your preconceived notion of what the answer should be. Should you not have proof of conspiracy, or at least strong circumstantial evidence of it, before claiming one exists?

motomagik: You must at least admit that the context of your previous message implied that there might be a causal link between some cancers and flouride. The point of my previous post was to dispel that particular notion, not to imply that you are somehow unintelligent.

I would never presume to match your loquaciousness.

I thought you were giving up flock-for-Lent?

Can fluoridated water cause cancer? The possible relationship between fluoridated water and cancer has been debated at length. The debate resurfaced in 1990 when a study by the National Toxicology Program, part of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, showed an increased number of osteosarcomas (bone tumors) in male rats given water high in fluoride for 2 years (3). However, other studies in humans and in animals have not shown an association between fluoridated water and cancer (4). In a February 1991 Public Health Service (PHS) report, the agency said it found no evidence of an association between fluoride and cancer in humans. The report, based on a review of more than 50 human epidemiological (population) studies produced over the past 40 years, concluded that optimal fluoridation of drinking water “does not pose a detectable cancer risk to humans” as evidenced by extensive human epidemiological data reported to date (4). In one of the studies reviewed for the PHS report, scientists at the National Cancer Institute evaluated the relationship between the fluoridation of drinking water and the number of deaths due to cancer in the United States during a 36-year period, and the relationship between water fluoridation and number of new cases of cancer during a 15-year period. After examining more than 2.2 million cancer death records and 125,000 cancer case records in counties using fluoridated water, the researchers found no indication of increased cancer risk associated with fluoridated drinking water (5). In 1993, the Subcommittee on Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride of the National Research Council, part of the National Academy of Sciences, conducted an extensive literature review concerning the association between fluoridated drinking water and increased cancer risk. The review included data from more than 50 human epidemiological studies and six animal studies. The Subcommittee concluded that none of the data demonstrated an association between fluoridated drinking water and cancer (5). A 1999 report by the CDC supported these findings. The report concluded that studies to date have produced “no credible evidence” of an association between fluoridated drinking water and an increased risk for cancer (2).

Ok, the whole 'aluminum pans causing alzheimer's' thing has been debunked. I guess you don't read any actual refereed science journals. Next please.

You'll probably also find websites that say dioxin isn't bad for you and that global warming is a myth...... Why would the American Dental Association advocate for flouridation when it's not in their economic interests to do so? Please reply without using the word 'conspiracy'.

Another good reason for having a PLB: being stuffed into the back of a Mafia hit man's car.

it's actually a communist conspiracy to weaken our precious bodily fluids. didn't you get the memo?

Notice he said "medical facts" not "unproven anecdotal evidence you pick up from some random internet site run by someone not an expert in medicine and clinical studies"

YOU dont know that. long term studies on the effects of various vaccines on humans have not been completed yet. long term studies of death from disease sure have

Listen to the man.

We haven't been looking for him. George says we don't care about him any more (except when he needs to scare voters, then he's the greatest threat to the known universe). I wanna be nuked by New Zealand.

WA Dept of Public Health http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/immunize/documents/vacreqchildcare06.pdf Check your school districts pages as well. They should have friendlier documents

1”The attendance of every child at every public and private school in the state and licensed day care center shall be conditioned upon the presentation before or on each child’s first day of attendance...of proof of either 1) full immunization*, 2) the initiation of… a schedule of immunization, or 3) a certificate of exemption as provided for in RCW28A.210.090” EXEMPTIONS: MEDICAL exemption requires the signature of a licensed health care provider PERSONAL/RELIGIOUS exemption requires the signature of a parent/guardian * “Full immunization” or “fully immunized” is an immunization status where a child has been vaccinated at ages and intervals consistent with the national immunization guidelines, with immunizing agents against: Diphtheria; Tetanus; Pertussis (whooping cough):, Poliomyelitis; Measles (rubeola); Mumps; Rubella; Hepatitis B; Haemophilus influenzae type B disease; and Varicella for children under thirteen years of age, admitted to school or child care after July 1, 2006.” (WAC 246-100-166)

Exactly! I mean, as long as she gets her husband's permission. So if a husband engages in activities that threaten his precious 'sperm bank', does he need to get the wife's permission first?

You can hate JayB. He's an ABD. He'll soon have that PhD you despise so much. Spread some of that love around.

I love how the certain conservatives blame the ineffectual media in this country for Dubya's failures without considering the fact that he might be perfectly capable of being a failure without their help. After all, they keep describing him as 'brilliant'.