glassgowkiss

Mods, please move this stupidity to spray, where it belongs.

The time it takes to do a route is just a part of it. It's also objective danger and difficulties with placing gear. Take Nemesis and Curtain Call- same length, Nemesis mostly easier then the other, Nemesis is full grade up due to location. Take Riptide- a great route WI4, WI3 and WI5/5+. Grade 6. We did it as a party of 3 in about 8 hours car to car, with filming on the route.

Polar Circus is not hard, most years WI4+.

Anyone heading to Index this weekend?

There is nothing about my statement that in any way contradicts anything I've posted up-thread. Are you really this obtusely clueless? of course it's bullshit what you state. Actually modern medicine is good at two things: fixing trauma and controlling mass infections. You can implement isolation and preventive measures (like wearing masks). Travel can get restricted during emergencies as well- vide 9/11. I am sure people nowadays live in open trenches year round eating about one meal every other day. Comparing 1918 pandemic to modern times is just plain stupid. Men between 16 and 40 were on front lines of the conflict, living in trenches for years, mostly eating poorly and under constant stress. Saying that under such circumstances anyone can have a "robust immune system" shows utter lack of understanding basics of human biology and any knowledge of history of the era. The same way one could argue cholera is also a threat. Yes, we had an outbreak- in Haiti after the huge earthquake. If you represent scientific community of this country, no wonder that 50% of Phd's in the US are held by foreign nationals. Looks like you can't even comprehend basics.

You're really not following along are you? There is absolutely nothing about our knowledge of viruses, better hygiene and better nutrition today that would mean diddlysquat in the face of a novel flu pandemic. Nothing. In fact, about the only real difference is today's transportation system just insures the much more rapid spread of any such a virus. Otherwise there's nothing about our current readiness, health or readiness which would halt such a pandemic or lessen its toll. How about this as biggest bullshit statement of the day? The best is you are contradicting all your earlier posts- good job!

Mass killing pandemic like that would not happen due to knowledge we have now about viruses, better hygiene and better nutrition. Food shortages were rampart and vast amount of population was suffering from heavy malnutrition, so after 4 years it would be hard to have a robust immune system. Your argument boils down to fear mongering.

Ivans got it. I don't know what you thought you read that brought that tirade off but I was pointing that specifically at Kev who will NEVER get a flu shot. Do the research and what we believe was huge death toll from the horror of WW1 was quietly equlipsed in a shorter time by teh Flu pandemic. Again, it's a simpleton explanation, which doesn't take into consideration a huge number of factors. Like for one- general hygiene, second - nutrition. I was born near the area where the front line was stationed for 2 years. My grandfather remembered the fighting, he actually participated a couple of years later in (completely unknown here, in the US) war between Poland and Soviet Union in 1919/20. During that time hunger and malnutrition were rampart. Add bad sanitation and you have a perfect storm for pandemic. Would it be possible without the war? Probably not- so, it was related to war and general lack of knowledge.

How many people died during WW1 due to simple bacterial infections, because surgical instruments were not sterilized? How many died due to shock, because there was no anesthetic procedures? Your question is completely moronic and more importantly irrelevant. I think our knowledge about microbiology have advanced in the last 100 years, don't you think. At the time of WW1 people were also dying from typhoid. All we had to do to stop that was to wash our hands after taking a shit. Gee, get a clue...

Again, the ignorance is palpable in the attempt to tie the two issues. You keep just saying about ignorance on my part, yet somehow this is where your argument ends. I asked you directly- what are the health risks for a healthy adult associated with contracting flu, and what are the chances of developing long term complications from this illness by a healthy adult? Please be specific. My point is that we do not know long term effects on things like mutations of these strands. The same way as antibiotics helped to create necrotizing cellulitis, necrotizing faciatis and a whole slew of other fun infections. Are the antibiotics bad? I am not saying that. What is bad was overprescription for mostly viral infections. And for the ending argument- ignorance is having 70% of adults overweight or obese and not doing anything about it. It's not a flu that kills millions a year, it's a cardiovascular disease that kills millions a year. Somehow it's OK, let's panic about the flu.

Joseph, you can't vaccinate your way out of this. If overprescription of antibiotics in the 70's and 80's, this brings the "don't fuck with nature" to a whole different level.

Ask your doctor. Ask someone at whatever place administers the flu vaccine nearest to you. wrong, pharmacists know more about medications and vaccinations then MD's. So actually, if you want some answers talk to people who know.

It's hard to overstate just how profoundly ignorant that statement is. Name long term effects in healthy people, if you are so enlighten. I can name a few from obesity. N1H1 had about 300 fatalities, about 1500 had long term complications. Now, there are about 2 million 500 thousand deaths related to obesity every year. Any questions. Profit or non-profit, the vaccines themselves have little to nothing to do with the problems of which we've created in the industry. Throwing them under your bus is less than helpful. The problem is that science is not behind flu vaccines. Contrary to what you are saying I am listening to the science. The results clearly shows, that on average the flu vaccines do not prevent transmissions of infections, neither they prevent the illness itself. So what the industry is selling is essentially a snake oil, financed by tax payers in a form of 9 billion a year. If there are vaccines preventing flu, I will be the first one to get it. So what is tossed under the bus is science, and what is fueling this is profit. BTW, I have more skin in the game, compared with 95% of posters here, since I treat people hands on in a closed room.

It's hard to overstate just how profoundly ignorant that statement is. Name long term effects in healthy people, if you are so enlighten. I can name a few from obesity. N1H1 had about 300 fatalities, about 1500 had long term complications. Now, there are about 2 million 500 thousand deaths related to obesity every year. Any questions.

Gun owner should be required to keep liability insurance, so the tax payers are not constantly stiffed with bills for gun violence. The same as car owners are required for driving cars.

what does freedom of speech has to do with guns? In your case, we can narrow it down to one word- moron.

red herring anti-guns people repeatedly claim that use of a gun in defense very rarely happens and if it is tried, it is very risky and likely to fail. GGK: bugger off, you are on permanent ignore because it rarely does. These are usually isolated incidents. In 32 000 gun related deaths per year, how many are "self defense" ?

NRA is better then soviets with their propaganda. I am sure this is a vast majority scenario in all 32K deaths per year. What a horseshit.

Yes, no wonder how shitty our profit oriented healthcare is. We are spending 9 billion $$$ per year on stupid vaccinations, for something that for 99.9% of population has zero long term effects. Yippee, we are #16 in the world, pretty much behind every developed country. #16

Fuckwads

I am sure, when he will start paying russian mob "protection money" it will not be much cheaper, then living in Paris.

You and TTK were finally successful in driving him away. are you sad, you can't shpunk a shellac syrup load into his gob?

As typical republifuck brainwashed buttfuck you can only point out the least important? Having 2 live televised wars waged by your beloved conservatives and seeing people blown up to pieces live on TV is of course an American thing to do and has nothing to do with the problem.

with pretty much 95% of people in this country living above their means, paying more and spending less is wise thing to do.

where is Fairweather?