I have never been on route from that side, and would just like to go check it out... If I have to retreat, so be it, but just so I know for myself that its death defying... I've read of routes that where supose to be difacult or advanced, but turned out to be cake walks, so i guess I just don't know till I get a good look at it for myself... I'll let ya know before I go tim, that way when ya get the call to come rescue some dumb fuck on Jack you'll know its me...