Billygoat

those guys get paid to use it.

I think that I have a lot of "running around the island" in my future.... I look forward to it Bug! Goat

Sounds like the South side gets a lot of wind (duh) which is a good thing to consider. Does anyone think there might be a usable boot pack to Muir at that time of year (on average)?

Actually Scott, that was my original idea (sabretooths work on tele boots) because it would be easier to get my cousin up Gib ledges than down it and if we ditched our skis at camp misery and couldn't return that way we'd be in for a lot of extra work to recover the gear. j_b does have a valid point; survival skiing in variable conditions with a heavy pack, at altitude does have enormous drawbacks. we would have to go light on summit day and the conditions (as well as our conditioning) has to be appropriate. Thanks for the good replies all cheers Goat

Who you talkin'about Willis?!

Thanks j_b for addressing the ski issue. Wind pack does not sound good with a heavy pack. I thought that travel would be faster and more fun, but I would have the added weight of the extra gear. If there is a fresh dump, skinning up and skiing down would be in order (after considering the avy potential). Conditions will dictate action. And partners...

But even still...

My Bad

That's stating the obvious. I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt even after the shit you sprayed in the "too many climbers" thread, but after this one, forget it. You are a dick

Muffy and ChrisT

Dammit! I don't have a dog

How w i d e are those "ledges"? Where they connect to the chute I understand that the pitch is between 45 and 50 degrees. Is that the crux or is it earlier on in the ledges? Bug! I'd love to head up there with you I think I might go up with some others like Bug and Tom and do the ledges and scope out the Ingraham Direct on the descent in preparation for an attempt with my cousin.

Nice shots. The mountains look great this time of year; austere and quiet. thanks bg

A Mighty Big Thanks! This is the stuff I'm looking for. Cheers Goat

thanks CBS Good Beta My cousin is coming out in April hence the time. I am not too worried about crevasses either. I am more worried about Avy danger. I think I would like to have one other experienced person along. I might try and scope it out before I would take him up there. So Gib ledges is narrow and I suppose pitched. Ingrahm direct sounds good but looks longer. How far could we ski up before resorting to post holing and would many people be going that way that time of year? Goat

thanks Sketch

CBS, how about in a larger more experienced group? If not , then what, Cathedral? How wide are the ledges below Gibraltar? I read it is 45 degrees where it meets with the chute. Easy on snow but Ice would be another thing.

Nice

I am looking for beta and opinions on the likely April conditions from Paradise to Muir and on through Gib ledges to the top. Will there be a post hole super highway to Muir or would skis be the way to go? I would prefer to ski and if I do, how high could I get on that route before likely removing my skis? To the base of Gibralter? Would anybody here recommend taking a newbie (my cousin) on this route? Is it too exposed along the ledges? If not, how 'bout if I brought along another team of seasoned ridge runners to strengthen the party? Any takers? Cheers, Goat

Just mail them to the West side, Dave Page, Cobbler 1-800-252-1229

Liquid Sky

What I understand is that the oilfields aren't going to pay for the war, we are (to the tune of 150 Billion or more) and we are even paying here at home, directly: The price of OSB has just doubled because of the demand for the product overseas to rebuild Iraq. Now I have to charge this nice couple , about to retire on a fixed income, even more to build their house. My question to mr. Peter Puget: How has this war helped us out ?!

I'd give up sex

True, we could easily poach it from a boat. If you know they are not down let me know when they are gone... Goat

Hey Mos, couple of my guys were out fishing and took a photo of that cliff face for me, Looks good. Is that on private property? If so, who owns it, Carlson? I'd love to tackle it. send me a PM. Goat