Billygoat

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Climbing is just like high school now, isn't it....

Is that just from cc.comers?

Hey Joker, Clint started it

Should we be looking for this guy at the casino or the crags? What kind of car and what are the plates?

Thanks Klenke. Some of my questions may seem rude but I used to be an EMT and we would get "wanderers" for all types of reasons: Head injuries, Med problems, Self medicators, Stress freak outs, Alzheimers, Mental collapses... There was not enough info in Lance's post.

The few pics I've seen of Alien failures indicated that they would NOT be good for use as passive pro.

How do you mean? Like wedging them in a narrowing crack like a nut? I would rather do that to a chock or a tri-cam. If I had nothing else, I guess I would weld it like a bashie if necessary.

w00p!

Well, was he prone to free soloing? Have they located his car yet? If not, what kind of car and plates does he have? Does he gamble at the Casinos? Does he get involved with hookers and blow? Did he owe money? Is he medicated for anything? Is there a chance that mis-manageing his meds could lead to a misdirected "adventure"? Does he have any reason to come to the PNW?

With only one whippet I think not.

That was then. This is now, brother...

yeah. My point exactly. People have access to power they don't have the knowledge to use. You may have the training and ability, WP, but wouldn't you agree that the current laws make it too easy for untrained and immature individuals to get their hands on lethal force?

There's a corollary to every story: This guy, living in the same mountain community (Nederland) in Colorado as me (back in the late '80's), picked up some hitch-hikers along the Peak to Peak highway. Their car was broken down. He tried to help them fix their car. While he was doing that, one of the guys found his gun under the front seat of his car and shot him with it. If he had not had that gun, the outcome would likely have been different. Guns make it too easy to inflict violence. They are the "Great Equalizer". They enable people to act out with power greater than their wisdom.

What's so troubled? Where do you hang out or live? Do you need help? Even when I felt threatened in NYC or LA or a roadside bar in Nevada, I was able to avoid it. The shit that you can't see coming is unavoidable. If you have a gun you'll use it and fall victim to the consequences. The Norse said "only a fool leaves his house with fear in his heart, for his death was determined on the day of his birth" My life is in my hands.

There is a time and place to carry arms, I'm sure. Going to talk to your neighbor isn't one of them. In fact, if you think you need a gun, in this country, you don't have to go at all; the police can handle it. If one is not emotionally smart and controlled enough to avoid or de-fuse a situation that has the potential for voilence, then they a) shouldn't be allowed to have guns or access to ammunition, and b) get what they deserve because they will always be victims of themselves. Bottom Line.

just digging in the dirt...

Catbird is saying the same thing we all are marmot breath. I own seven guns and I still think that there should be an "actual" waiting period, like how about 14 days. Not just some bullshit background check. I also believe that a buyer should be finger printed and pass a psych screening. All ammo sales should have a waiting period as well and identification be presented, processed and cleared. All guns should be registered. I will happily register mine. I have been in a lot of dicey situations and never needed a gun. My guns are locked up right now. It would take awhile for me to get them and load them. I lived a Hong Kong. A very crowded city. There were never any shootings. I got into street fights there. Nobody got killed, or even knifed for that matter. The murders that did occur were few. It takes a lot of courage, and real rage, to kill someone with your bare hands. I hunt and enjoy target shooting. I never carry out of fear. Bottom Line: Carrying guns is for cowards.

I guess that kid really needed to go to school and kill all those people too. I wasn't there. He was probably provoked. Someone probably made fun of him. In either of these two cases, if the shooter had a knife instead of a gun, I wonder how things would have turned out. Or how about only their fists?! It's a moot point. Cowards wouldn't leave home unless they were packing anyway

me too let's keep it coming...

Great work. A little lucky in places. Bruce seemed a bit of a liability but not one I can judge sitting in a chair. I think the common return route is Dissapointment Cleaver. The ledges are dangerous for the exact reason you experienced: rockfall. Do you have any more pictures of the Ledge itself? I'd love to see them. We tried last Spring but were held back by weather. I would like to go back...

Great!

Dear Snugtop, Today I aided something I could not climb "naturally". I feel dirty. Is this wrong...?! Caught b/w a rock and a hard place