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just a little thought. are the percentages on this board any different from the climbing community as a whole? what would we talk about on a women's forum that relates in anyway to climbing? gear? post on gear critic? women's issues? spray. you can't ban the men from a women's forum so how is it any different than any of the other's on this board?

i agree w/your last post whole heartedly. H/e, how is that the murder of an abortion doctor by a christian fundamentalist isn't a violation of that doctor's rights. I'm not trying to start the abortion debate. This example takes out the issue of race and thus simplifies it.

greg, as someone who questions many aspects of christianity; to the point of disassociating myself from any organized faction of it; I find the idea protecting people from religious persecution to be very important. I like my nose just where it is. My glasses need to perch on something! ...maybe a monacle...

You're a woman, what do you expect? MidEast stabilization may not be any of our business, but since it is in the best interest of some of our prime allies (Israel & Turkey, to name two) we have a stake in it. consistency, it's all about consistency. isn't it time we untangle some of our relationships? It may be in their best interest but is it really in OURS?

greg, that is NOT going to happen. For someone w/my belief structure that would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.

greg, you are absolutely correct. my bad. trying to keep it simple. but i still find your position unsettling.

admirably consistent...g) scares me. is that really any of our business? (mideast stabilization)

greg, let me keep this simple for you. Not everyone in this country is a christian. they shouldn't get the shaft b/c of that regardless of your religious beliefs. yes my earlier post was a gross oversimplification but i don't have all day to write a bloody novel to cover all the nuances. Thought you were bright enough to get the point.

yes of course i know it (on the bottom) but i'm interested in how consistent everybody's logic is. I found mine is not as consistent as it should be.

Not to the people who believe the Bible, Off White. They, very seriously, pattern their life after what the Bible teaches. That is their choice, just as you live by your choices. Why is it so acceptable to ridicule Christianity or the Bible? Yet, if I ridicule gays or Muslims or people who believe in abortion, I can be arrested for a "hate crime". Maybe you should just respect another individual's right to choose their own belief system. Greg, Last time i checked there was supposed to be a separation of theology and governing in this country. Voters can vote their beliefs and in this country that does lead to a heavy biblical influence. However, the difference is that laws are supposed to be secular. A hate crime is a hate crime. If it's perpetrated against a christian it would still be a hate crime. This is a largely christian country. It seems to me that laws prohibiting hate crimes are there to provide for freedom of religion and free speech in this country; things i'm pretty sure that you're in favor of?

On my way to work i was pondering my position on war with Iraq. I found that a few questions kept reoccuring as I considered my position. How do you guys answer these? a)are you anti-war in every situation? b)do you think the situation can be resolved by diplomatic means? c)do you think Hussein needs to be ousted from power? d)is the human rights situation in Iraq any of our business? e)would you support this war if there was more international support for the U.S. position? f)do you believe that the evidence presented by both Shrub and the Inspectors overwhelming? g)what do you think the real administration agenda is ousting Hussein? oil? weapons? human rights? something else?

moving on from a pointless debate on religion: prostate cancer in men of Pat Robertson's age is not uncommon and tends to be very slow progressing. It is often the case that these men ultimately die from other problems related to aging long before the prostate cancer seriously ails them. Sad that anybody has cancer but lets not put the nail in his coffin yet (at least not from this)

you forgot "i spray from work and my cubemate knows it. i better not piss him off"

pink fishnets? you're my hero!

yeah, iraq is the only country out there that violates basic human rights....yeah that's the ticket. uh huh sure.

no you've got gregW...does that mean he's an idiot too?

ok - they cheesiness has gone to far now. GregW- to matt's point. isn't bush, this very day, threaten to ignore the UN and Nato if they don't agree with him?

greg- you promised if we let you watch that you wouldn't tell the details!shame on you! no for you next time!

must we discuss potty training. i'll give you both a package of of huggies if you'll stop.

DFA- aren't you the lame ass who gave us all a lecture not so long ago for our juvenille behaviour regarding some sexual remarks?

the point is that you're wrong. none of the nuclear weapons are as harmless as you seem to suggest. There are several nice links other people have posted which explain this.

ok- matt's post reminds me what an idiot i'm being regarding a serious subject. nuking anybody is a bad idea, and there's a lot of countries nervous about our behaviour and they have reason to be.

as long as he barks when i tell him to he can keep his spots, right trask

oh what are you laughing at muffy? he's right for a change trask you were fantastic but you're still an idiot.

dru, come on, you can do better than that.