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why would they not??? b/c welfare is a meager existence at best. i agree that multigenerational seems to perpetuate its self. however, it would seem that the humane way to change the situation is to provide opportunities to move up from that situation. obviously, not everyone is going to take the opportunities provided to them. i can tell you that if i had not been fortunate enough to have an education and have been lucky enough to have a good family and had the timing to land a job when i did, i would've been part of the welfare roles and getting off would've been incredibly difficult. surviving as a single parent is not an easy task. lacking the skills and resources to provide for a child does not give people many options for getting off of welfare. and for those of you about to spew forth about not having kids if you can't afford them. skip it. it's a pointless argument.

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my friend's truck was left w/it's WA plates, in a turn out along the highway to squamish for several hours w/a fair amount of gear in it w/ no problems. Shit happens everywhere. the incident in question is truly unfortunate. but it could've happened here so don't be so shocked and offended that it happened in Canada. In fact, i seem to recall several violent incidences that happened to innocent muslim citizens of the US not so long after 9-11.

this topic has far too many deep philisophical facets for the likes of cc.com

Fence, not to nitpik any more than necessary. The implication of the way you phrased your post was that all welfare is superfluous. it is not. That and my views are skewed b/c i continually hear the cries of the repubs to completely dismantle welfare.

superfluous welfare? i think abuse of the welfare system is a HUGE problem but what is it w/people who can't get your minds around the concept that sometimes it is good to help other people??? At one point in my life i was VERY close to spending some time on welfare. Thanks to my very cool family that didn't happen. Many many people are not so lucky. Should we abandon those amongst who are less fortunate?

dwayner, in your humble opinion is there ANY place for sport climbing?

but you do it so rarely, i must assume sarcasm i've managed to climb at least a few pitches 7 consecutive w/o maiming myself further so hopefully the bad aura surrounding me has left!

hey greg....shuddap! snoboy, was that your nice g/f w/ the dark hair on my left?

She was the one between my gf's and ehmic's left It went kinda like me, fern, ehmic, minx, e, ? chrisw, whirlwind, you... Gawdamnned! You guys climb at all? Or was it just a social gab fest??????????? Butterflies everywhere! there was absolutely no climbing, no discussion of climbing, nothing climbing related happened all w/e!

yep! well shoot! glad you guys had fun!

geeee really erik? you're kidding right? wow! obviously if she knew where i was sitting she was there. i wondered which of the nice people i met she is or perhaps she was one of the not nice ones?

indeed! where were you? and how'd i miss that introduction?

greg you're working too hard at stirring shite up!

first i will say that i do agree with you mostly. h/e i have recently found the use and benefit of sport climbing. having recently had shoulder surgery and hurt my foot, i've found that clipping bolts has given me the opportunity to improve my conditioning w/o resorting to the gym. and oh the horror, i've actually been having some fun. i recently took a lead fall that although not serious, rattled my nerves a bit. yesterday i took the opportunity to lead a few sport routes. although it certainly isn't the same as leading on gear, it did give me a chance to be above my protection and soothe my nerves a bit. it all has a place.

NO you'll injest marichino cherries but not cofffee?

hey greg- maybe all the chicas are out climbing while you're just spraying?

i don't kiss and tell!

cripes! i should've guessed...of course! NUTELLA trask- we know you're a perve so what is it? goat kibble?

fine...it's for dessert but peach yogurt isn't a condiment either. iaxx. what would you recommend?

vanilla pudding

s/he it!

trask is such a liar. they've been found. in my rotten partner's pack!

ummmm...climbing precedes pub club ALWAYS... what are you, a social butterfly or sumpin'? of course...but weds is the one day when redmond actually is convenient for me and isn't it all about me? besides those of you who make it to index on weds could surely stop by on your way home right?