minx

yeah, that's a great fucking vision of life. no wonder atheists are so hateful, pathetic, and unhappy. so what you're saying is that for you religion is the "green pill" and the reason you're happy? i know many happy atheists who go on about life in a very positive way. when you know that your life is finite, you tend to live it fully.

She is. i went to the dealership to look at a suby outback. the dealer proceeded to show me the cargo netting in the back for holding my groceries and the dual vanity mirrors. oh goodee! after ignoring my questions about the engine, he proceeding to share with my husband, the ground clearance, hp, and torque. my husband looked at him and said "it's her car, talk to her about it." we left.

oly--isn't that what they do every off season?

my original thought on this thread was for those who are negotiating "X" number of days w/their spouses. if you avoid putting a concrete number on it, then it's easier to avoid the "you've already been out 6 days this year, no more!" conversation.

...dude, welcome to the adult world... yup--gave up a lot of activities when the little guy was even littler. no one forced me. it just felt right at the time.

we've tried "peer pressure" fortunately or unfortunately (depending on how you look at it) he doesn't cave in much to it. he's getting a little more adventurous these days but he's not a risk taker by nature. i'm hoping when his friends are older and want to climb, he'll see the advantages.

hey rumr--thanks for the info. some good ideas there. we tried rock camp one summer. he loved tying knots, belaying and bouldering but i think the whole week, he only tied in twice. *sigh* might have to take a try at again soon. hope he's not too old to change his ways!

hey, the FCC has already weighed in on this matter during nipplegate 2003, breasts, and in particular nipples, are offensive, damaging to young children, and should be kept out of sit even for 0.8 seconds! don't you people already know this??? what's wrong with you? when will you learn??? think of the children for god's sake!

i don't have a quota either. i'll be a belay buddy when you can climb again. i think the line is pretty long though. hey...how long until you can belay?

why do you have to set the number of days you get to go out and climb "alone"? what's wrong with just seeing how things fit into your lives?

my son will boulder all the time. soon as the rope gets involved its all over. the rest of it he's a great buddy. i should probably take up soccer but i'm pretty sure skate boarding again is a bad idea.

i also think some of this comes down to how many days v. weekends you're trying to get completely free and clear.

g-spotter is on the right track. my son doesn't care to climb but he gets dragged along all the same. he doesn't have to climb but he has to come along sometimes. he's a pretty good little "approacher" if you get him on a good day. assuming that chuck's wife doesn't want to climb they have to find some balance. maybe it's every third weekend? one day some weekends, the whole weekend other times, some weekends is just family time and home maintenance? there is always afterwork. the kids are number one but by giving up your interests, i think you're telling your kids that they're the center of the universe. while they might be the center of your world, it's good for them to understand that it doesn't always revolve around them. you can find ways to spend more time with them. it doesn't always have to be a "family event". time with your kids includes helping with homework, projects around the house, going to soccer practice, skiing, movie night, dinner. what's wrong wiht saying "i'm getting up early and going to index. i'll be home at 2 to fix the fence. we can have dinner and catch a movie in the evening" no it's not a big climb. but if you do more of that it might be easier to get one or two weekends a month for a big climb. also remember, climbing season doesn't have to be all year. more time with the family when the climbing isn't as good. get your wife a hobby!

you may be the smartest one here its not as bad as these guys make it seem. just have to find the right spouse. definitely do NOT buy house if you want to get out though.

chuck is right about the flexibility. i think if you're shooting for big climbs every weekend when you have kids it'll be tough. but it seems like there'd be room for compromise. a couple times a month? alternate weekends w/your spouse? you get your activity one weekend, she gets hers the next?

oh kevbone, you clearly don't know archy.

i answered. i was just pointing out the limitations. <10 blows. what has changed in your world? that's only 5 weekends! yikes!!! assuming 104 weekend days a year -- that's not even 10% ick!

chuck--a couple of things about your poll. it's pretty broad how many kids? ages of the kids? homeowner? spouse climbs? i only have one child, who is old enough to stay home alone when he doesn't go with us.Also we only have sports and activities for one to attend. my DH climbs and skis so that reduces conflict. now the house thing...we swore we wouldn't buy a house that had a much yardwork. screwed the pooch on that one. moved into friggin stepford. i'll be landscaping for years! D'OH!!!

But in the end……we all know the wives make the rules……why? Because the women hold all the cards. They have what we (men) want. It all boils down to sex. wow-kevbone--wow you really set yourself up in an unfortunate situation. remember though, you set up and choose the dynamic of the relationship you choose to be in. damn-- i think i agree with bill

Minx, that came through on paper sounding like a loud screechy harpy bitch. Might have been my misinterpretation of your words however, but right now I'm feeling some symapthy for your Signifigant Other here. i am definitely a screeching harpy and you should feel sorry for my significant other. h/e that dumbas comment was directed at kevbone. i have no patience today for his in ability to make an obvious deduction from my post. many of us--husbands AND wives--have domestic obligations that prevent us from getting out every w/e. i just get tired of the blame the spouse game. i'd like to get out more than i do. sometimes i don't get out b/c of my husband. i don't whine about it. we talk about it and figure out how to get it done. its definitely harder when kids are small but even then there's middle ground. sometimes the yard goes unmowed and the carpet doesn't get vaccuumed. oh friggin well. so if that means i'm a loud screeching harpy--so be it. i'm just not in the mood today to spell things out for kevbone.

ok dumbass--my point is that there are a lot of people whining about not getting out b/c their wives won't let them. total BS. tired of hearing about it.

i think some of you men with wives, need wives with hobbies/friends of their own. my DH tells me he's going skiing/climbing/etc and one of 2 things happens 1) i ask where he's going and decide if i want to go too or 2) i say "great! get out of my hair." that means i can go do whatever it was i had in mind that didn't include him. now the caveat to this is that he's an excellent cook , he has plenty of skills, and on a FEW weekends a year does a project around the house w/o being asked. we usually just wait for a lame weather weekend though.

ugggh!! i hate the whole process. with apologies to my favorite HR friend, (who helped a lot when i needed to understand HR), HR at my last two jobs has been useless. although not in IT, my field is technical in nature. when hiring someone recently, weeks went by with HR screening the resumes and I only received a few. Some of them were qualified to be my boss and some of them had nothing on their resume that made them qualified. I finally went directly to HR and requested every resume that had been sent for the position. I found 10 qualified applicants. Phone screened all of them. Interviewed 3 in person and hired one. If HR had not been removed from the equation, I'd still be waiting for a good applicant. Arch- you can use my tax ID number if you'll cut me in on the tarp business.

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