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Wow. Takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. A rolling iphone gathers no moss....

I got out of the Army in 1976 Scott. At my age they won't take me, but your suggestion that joining again would do anything positive seems way off to me. And as I'm paying for it, I, and all citizens, have a voice. It isn't the door to door that is disturbing, if a soldier pops a civi here or there, it's much more understandable, it's our bombs from unmanned aerial vehicles that are killing most of the civilians -maybe all of the little kids, in Pakistan too. It's bad enough to see a young american killed, fortunately there isn't a lot of it, relatively speaking. It was politics and/or money that got us into this game, and it will be the same that stops it. Meantime, I see the $ we have to borrow to waste over there slowly making the US weaker and less powerful, not the reverse. We can't afford to be the worlds policeman, even if it was a moral thing to do, which it ain't. Your children, and perhaps even your childrens children, will still be paying for this massive debt load we are incurring many years from now. The cost to the parents is not able to be calculated: if my experience and heart was a guide, children are truly priceless. The story's that they get, and they stories we get are presented and recieved differently. We get the "we are heros for saving you" routine, while they often get the opposite of that. Again, the pentagon has 28,000 hires who's only job it is to manipulate the press. The Afgan people and now the Libyans too, will not soon forget our countries douchbagery soon either. I find the pictures, as disgusting as they are, significantly less offensive than the fact that we are doing shit like that at all. In 2006, when Karzai was crying about it (per my earlier link wherein he was literally in tears about the Afgani children we were killing "accidentally"), I was more accepting of it for 2 reasons. The biggest was that there was an expectation it was necessary and that it would stop.... at some point. 5 years later it is now escalating and growing every year. Look at my link with the statistics. We are killing more civi's every year than the previous year, and lots of those civi's these little pups like you see here. Thousands and thousands of children. In my mind anyone who feels this is fine is a sick fucker and you should have to look at a picture of every god damn single one of them, all of the thousands and thousands of children we have murdered, before you say a fucking thing about it and start raging about how righteous we are in this. I don't give a shit if you are in the service or not. When does this end? How many more? What possible excuse can you - or anyone, offer for these needless and excessive deaths of little children that is in the process of actually bankrupting our country?

I've considered this Pat. Clearly out positions are reversed here. I think it's unimaginably fucked up to kill little kids like this. You don't. (As evidenced by this thread where you think it's just OK to toss ordinance from the air at about anyone we choose and thus we nail some little ones but that's just collateral damage of no consequence.) You think it's wrong and unimaginably fucked up to see pictures of what we are doing over there. I don't. I think it's a horror show that needs to cease. I understand that civi's will die in war. Shit happens. One more reason war sucks. But come on now, you think this is any way to flush money down a toilet? Me either. Perhaps now that you get to see what your attitude and money is causing, in full on color, you can change your mindset. Put yourself in the shoes of the parents or the loved ones. We drop a lot of ordinance and they want us to believe that it's all terrorists....but it's not. If everyone in this country started to see what we are doing, in color, this bullshit would stop. We're not winning any hearts and minds anywhere they can see shit like this and there isn't a thing they can do about it but cry, wail and hate us all the more. And see it daily they do: but we don't see it in our sanitized papers. You started the thread, not me. Too fucking bad if you don't like it.

fuck you.

Right, must have fucked up your day. So you think that we should only continue to get the sanitized version....wherein on the back of page 9 in small black and white text we call someones lil kids "Collateral damage", say "opps, sorry", and immediately move on and forget about the loss of their loved ones. God forbid you see how your tax dollars are being used to create and support the 2nd most corrupt country in the world. As this thread seems to indicate, whats really fucked up is that you somehow think it's OK for us to run around the world killing folks we don't agree with. (well, the ones that have oil anyway) With that mindset, would it then be OK for other countries to execute our President because they are angry at some bullshit policy (lets say Bush and the Iraq war, Obama and Afghanistan, etc etc). Then, when they try that asswipe move and they miss and kill a bunch of children, which we routinely do in other parts of the world, they can say "opps, sorry", move on and just keep try try trying again? WTF? Like Off White says up thread, you are paying for this bullshit, and it shouldn't be sanitized here when it is freely shown in the countries we are doing this too. We have already killed several of Omar the Tent makers kids on 2 separate occasions via bombs from air strikes. That the Pentagon hires 28,000 people who's only job it is to make you and the grieving parents throughout the world believe that we are good people should just piss you off all that much more. When does it end? Looks like we will need to run out of money for it to stop. Nevermind, scratch that thought as we ARE out of money RIGHT now, we are just borrowing more and more to keep doing this bullshit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_caused_by_ISAF_and_US_Forces_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29 In December 2006, a tearful President Hamid Karzai lamented that Afghan children were being maimed and killed by NATO and U.S. bombs and by the terrorism brought on by the war. In a heartfelt speech that brought audience members to tears, Karzai said the cruelty imposed on his people "is too much" and that Afghanistan cannot stop "the coalition from killing our children. 5 years later, civilians and little kids are still being killed and there is no end in sight until we piss off enough parents that they toss our lame asses out of that country. It's lame Pat. Damn lame.

Hard to say what is up. We've been having an easy time unintentionally murdering little children in Afghanistan. Here's a few of the 9 we got in a bombing strike back in March. Of the 13 killed last bombing strike few days back, 8 were lil kids. Fortunately, we don't see any of this in our newz, while sadly, the Afgani's wake up to it regularly..... past time for us to fold up our tent and leave all those folks alone. It has been getting worse and worse over time.

Good on you buyz for getting it done! Nice TR. To help at a few spots, is there a translation of Ivan to English available on the web some place?

It's Unamerican.

Agreed, but I give Peter props for trying though....

That cracked me up! BTW, when I was that kids age I'd have rented my organ out to willing females. As a parent, I can only hope my kids are smarter than this....but I have some doubt of course. Full story for posterity: "A teenager in Huaishan, Anhui Province has sold one of his kidneys to buy an iPad2 tablet computer, as reported by SZTV on June 1. The 17-year-old man surnamed Zheng, a freshman in high school, got connected with a kidney-selling agent through the internet, who pledged to pay him 20,000 yuan ($3,084.45 ) for one of his kidneys. On April 28 of this year, Zheng went to Chenzhou, Hunan Province to have his kidney removed under the supervision of three so-called middlemen, and received 22,000 yuan ($3,392.97). Then he returned home with a laptop and an iPhone. Zheng's mother discovered her son's new electronic products and forced him to reveal how he came to afford them. Then she took Zheng to Chenzhou and reported the matter to local police. The three agents' telephones have not been answered since that time. Chenzhou 198 Hospital, where Zheng had his surgery, has no qualifications for kidney transplantation, according to SZTV reporters. The hospital has denied any connection with the kidney removal operation, and has said that its urology department is contracted to a businessman in Fujian."

Hell yeah!

Wow, that's a hell of a story Prole. Nice find. I'd bet that fella and I share a lot of similar viewpoints on this issue. They can afford to hire hall monitors and spend a shitload of scratch to make our country more of a 1984 style police state, but they are still cutting teachers and increasing class sizes....... You see the US killed 8 children from an aerial raid in Afghanistan yesterday? Wonder what that F**** ing cost, and what the cost will be in anger directed to our country. Fortunately, it ain't happening in our country, we can just go climbing and ignore this crap, while the Afganis are screwed. Here I am on the First ascent of Wyde Syde at Cliff Cliff (Rock Creek). Photo Chad Ellers

Damn dude....did you also miss that the article is talking about "malintent", not "malcontents" (my tongue in cheek interpretation) such as yourself and Pat? You didn't see that slight of hand either I'd bet. But not to worry, it will only be utilized for screening terrorists, so have a cookie and "I promise, by the time you're done eating it, you'll feel right as rain." "‘Malintent detection’ technology tested in the northeast United States By Eric W. Dolan Monday, May 30th, 2011 -- 6:20 pm The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has begun field testing new technology designed to identify people who intend to commit a terrorist act. Nature reported that the DHS has been conducting tests of Future Attribute Screening Technology (FAST) in the past few months at an undisclosed location in the northeast. The technology uses remote sensors to measure physiological properties, such as heart rate and eye movement, which can be used to infer a person's current mindset. According to a Privacy Impact Assessment (PDF) released by the DHS in 2008, the technology is intended to measure a person's malintent -- the intent to cause harm. "Behavioral scientists hypothesize that someone with malintent may act strangely, show mannerisms out of the norm, or experience extreme physiological reactions based on the extent, time, and consequences of the event," the report stated. "The FAST technology design capitalizes on these indicators to identify individuals exhibiting characteristics associated with malintent." The DHS has claimed accuracy rates of around 70 percent, but some scientists have questioned the results. "Even having an iris scan or fingerprint read at immigration is enough to raise the heart rate of most legitimate travellers," Tom Ormerod, a psychologist in the Investigative Expertise Unit at Lancaster University, told Nature. John Verrico, a spokesman for the DHS, said he could not comment on the performance of FAST because the results were still being analyzed and that additional tests would continue to be conducted."

They developed a machine which they wish to deploy which you and everyone else will need to walk through if you want to fly. Soon machines like this will be in other public places and you will be forced to walk through them all if you are going that direction. Train stations, Courthouses, etc etc.... It will (they say) identify your attitude. Your mental state.....your feelings. Then I say with some future guesses.......Did you think that they will announce the future uses of said machine? ....which part you stuck on Kevbone? This is regarding

Hmmm, to add: GOOD NEWZ! They will be able to pre-identify malcontents now, so you can breath easy. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/30/malintent-detection-technology-tested-in-the-northeast-united-states/ BAD NEWZ. All you spray posters, however, will be facing reeducation camps once they get you identified. Thought crimes. Coming soon. Of course, if you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Should you?

I'd bet most of us agree with you, this is really what occurs when you give money and power away....Look at congress these days, afraid to declare war and get voted out of office so they start "allowing" the President that function, next thing ya know, you got wars going all kinds of places.....I'm probably sounding like Pat here, I certainly agree with him up thread on this..... Seriously Jordan, any big bureaucracy will wind up with lots of examples of exactly this kind of thing. The bigger it is and the more money they have the worse it will be. Might be best to just roll over and let them pound sand up yer ass cause there ain't a damn thing you can do about it unless you can defund them. Even then, those dickheads in charge often defund things of good measure first so that YOU feel it. Either way, you wind up with the jbs of the world howling about budget cuts....... Certainly in this case, at least there is a rational, scientific case to support da gobment position. ...now, about those tsa pat downs.....

Jordon, (paraphrasing) the full story is that the Feds sent an earlier demand/violation notice order. The response from the farmer was to change the way he sold the milk. He told his customers, who love this guy and his product, that they needed to join a club or co-op and pay just for the labor: and the milk was free or something like along those lines. Anyway, they finally got this Al Capone of pure milk sales-thank god we are all safe now. So the truth is that we must not need that kind of product as the gobment says so. What we all must need is more unneeded antibiotics and vitamins in the unhealthy dead milk, and that shit, as you see, has already made Pat mental so you can see where it leads......

It was a year long multi-jurisdictional investigation too. Wonder what we paid to have big government stuff this down our throats. This only proves once more to me that they are getting way too much money from us in taxes that they can waste it this way. Probably be a few million dollars more in prosecution fees before it's over.

"Political class"!!!? HAHA, they're catching on. "Greeks vent anger at entire political class" http://ca.news.yahoo.com/greeks-vent-anger-entire-political-class-211328854.html It will be interesting to see what the "Socialist entitlement Class" hereafter to be refered to as the "jb class", does when the Political Class" really starts in with true cuts so as to not go bankrupt. http://www.cnbc.com/id/43214540 ...and how long until it comes to our shores and budget, which is still out of control heading into the red hole pit of despair.

Unfriggan unbelievable, it's that damn Obama with teh hope and change I bet. "You need to understand that when you are talking about the police that it's really just the bad apples who give the other 5% a bad name"...LOL! .... [video:youtube] How about this one? Could be worse, police took 6- 9 seconds from the time that they knocked on this guys door and woke up the family to the onslaught that killed the homeowner with 60 shots. You ever wake up in 6 seconds? Me either. He had grabbed his rifle, yet the safety was still on. http://www.kgun9.com/story/14736691/raw-video-pcsd-helmet-cam-clip-shows-swat-raid-and-firefight They let him bleed out for an hour (60 shots in his body) Then they hauled the widow downtown and in her exhausted and emotionally drained state after seeing her husband die and he child taken away by the "authorities", proceeded to interrogate her and tried to get her on tape saying anything that would mitigate the murder of her husband by the police. She didn't know that they were police. Then they started lying and making up shit after the fact and got caught in the lies. Welcome to AmeriKa.... Fucking fuckers who murdered that man should be in jail, badges or not.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1512712/Any-regulars-at-the-climbing-gym-in-Portland-Or

As jb and other oppressives continually instructs, taxpayers in the US have unlimited money, no need to even consider our budget or debt.....

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Volunteering must not be in the Oppressive's playbook....big government will fix everything, all it takes is tax payer money, and everyone all the oppressives know that is unlimited.

You are framing the questions as if SOMETHING MUST be done Rob. Why do that?