billcoe

It's interesting to hear your various takes on Ill. politics as they come up here or there. I guess most of us would be suspicious of anyone named Richard Daley, but give everyone else for Il a chance. I think if we could always chose the smartest candidate who has the most integrity we would be doing well. Sometimes it's not apparent at all what we are getting. Bill Clinton was smart as hell, but there were plenty of instances where his integrity was down the ladder. People voted for him anyway. I think in many folks own minds they questioned Hillarys integrity and that may have cost her the election. Barak came off as her intellectual equal (or more) yet much better in the integrity category in many folks eyes. Maybe not eh?

I really thought that this was one thing Hillary had close to figured out. It seems to me, that the only way to pitch it is to have a large group of experts and people who have studied this issue extensively and thoroughly, put together a package which congress would vote on like the base closures: all or nothing. Yes or no. Otherwise, every special interest get a piece of this or that as it gradually gets torn to bits or have little riders added to satiate this group or that, and at the end of the day it's not even recognizable. Sadly, for this issue, health care: the process seems flawed. At the end of the day, like Bob says, the likelihood is that the taxpayer gets to pay to enrich the insurance companies and a select few joe averages still gets the shaft when he gets sick.

Ur Peeps say Who dat?

This baby epidemic thing is getting out of hand! LOL Nice pics of ice, thanks for sharing it.

Cluck had a nice TR, on it here. http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/325135/site_id/1#import Gonna be pretty wet. I think the Tappet Brothers (Geoff and Kyle Silverman), FGW and Dan Forester have reported ascents as well. Whats Lyle like Steve? I've never climbed there. Toproping but dry? I need to do something this weekend as I think my man boobs are getting larger already.

Bullshit. They should have abandoned the old 50s and 60's ideas back in the 70s instead of continued funding so we can land another person on the moon. It was a waste of money and stupid on many levels. This crap happens when you get politics involved. We had to race the Russians so we shortcutted the technology and then stayed the course. Stupid, stupid stupid. About time they took a turn for the better. I disagree with you. They should have done this 30 years ago.

You have a date last night?

I would think a better sequence would be this: FIRST you need to ask the people who have been climbing there for 40 years why they haven't bolted it before. Do that before you make a mistake. They may say, do it dude! Awsum idea! Or they might not. They may say "that was done with gear 20 years ago or we left that as a toprope on purpose"! Their opinion and thoughts should weight X 10 to what any anonymous person on the internet, who doesn't even know where this crag is, says in my opinion. What YOU want isn't really the issue as much as what everyone else thinks and wants. First consider all those who have been actively climbing there for years and who love that area (just talk it over with them!), then consider the next 30 years of climbers who will follow, then consider yourself last - in that order. Good luck with your project Marc!

BO is gittin jiggy with the Chinese. Looks like the shit will be hitting the fan one way or another sooner or later...probably sooner. Do I still want that one bank account denominated in Yuan? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100202/ap_on_hi_te/as_china_us "BEIJING – China is pledging to retaliate against the U.S. over arms sales to Taiwan and warning of further damage to ties if President Barack Obama meets the Dalai Lama. There's likely to be even more turbulence ahead: Trade friction, currency rate woes and allegations of cyber-spying are already roiling relations. "

Hahaha I'll second that! I agree my sun

"She". If "she" wants full retail. Jess is Jessica it appears. I suppose it's nice to start out with too much carp, most of us start out with 3 hexes and have to work up to too much gear in a long process which takes years. "Honey, lest give Jessica some climbing crap for Christmas!" "OK - grab 6 of them Petzl Attaches off the rack there, 3 of them and 3 of those....."....huh? I don't get it. Full text: "New Climbing Gear Date: 2010-02-01, 6:25PM PST Reply to: sale-recep-1581749357@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] Brand new climbing gear, in packages, tags still on. Never used. I will not risk you or me. We got this gear as a gift for Christmas and will not use it. I've looked up retail prices for everything and have priced accordingly. See pics, condition is brand new. This set would retail for $1087.95 before tax. $900 for whole lot. Should go to a good climbing home. 2 Matterhorn 10.2 Mammut blue ropes, retail $200, $180 each, still in plastic 3 Black Diamond ATC belay devices, retail $18.95, $17.00 each 3 Black Diamond Super 8 belay devices, retail $14.95, $13.00 each 6 Petzl locking Carabiner, retail $12.95, sell for $11.00 each 2 Omega Pacific locking Carabiner, usually $20.10 each, sell for $18 each 4 Omega Pacific screw lock Carabiner, $15.60 each, I'll sell for $14 each 3 Wild Country Helium Quickdraw Set - 15cm $25.50, sell for $23.00 each 3 Wild Country Helium Wiregate Carabiner, $12.50, sell for $10 each 2 Bluewater 7 mm cord, usually $13.50, now $12.00 1 Bluewater 5 mm cord, retail $9.50, sell for $8.00 4 Bluewater webbing 1 inch 30 feet, usually $12.45, sell for $11.00 Ushba aluminum Basic Ascender. 136 grams, 8-13 mm ropes. Unopened. $54.95 retail, sell for $50.00 2 Mammut Dyneema Cordette Contact Sling 8mm. Retails at 22.95. sell for $20 each BOOKS: never been opened Morrow Guide to Knots, retail $15.95, now $14 Falcon Guide 30.00, now 27.00 Weekend Rock 19.95, now 18.00 Mastering Basic Skills 19.95, now 18.00 Anchors. retails for 18.95, now 17.00 OR $900 for all of it Call Jess at 360-622-6389 "

Could be - who hasn't confused solids and gas's in farts before?

my problem as well - for us sad-sack family-types w/ a buncha young kids, we only get to play vertical-limit a couple hours a week, and beacon suuuuure scratches that itch - ozone, farside, broughtons are all okay, but don't feel like adventure at all. smiff and pts farther off are awesome, but might as well be in inner mongolia most weekends. I know, there is no substitute. Even a giant rock

Mines in, thanks for the heads up, that probably took less time thank this message and was 20 times more important.

Not with this cock in your backyard: Hows that for a massive page top that sort of pops right up at ya?

Wrong window Doug. Should look like this. It comes and goes.....as of 8 min ago, she was clenched up.

I've sent emails to some of you folks concerning this being revisited. Can we all take a cleansing breath now? BW, sadly, the late Jim Anglin isn't here now, but if he was, he'd say what he said 4 years ago during the last Beacon shit storm (he lived right down the way in White Salmon then). you people need a ROAD TRIP! to remember places like Yosemite, Cochise, Joshua Tree....

I'll buy him a case of beer!!!! please make it go away!!!!!! OK, but make it good beer this time will ya cause I can't choke down Old English any more. If you are Jonesing for a piss poor thread on this very subject: there's an active one already that is huge. http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/896687/Sport_vs_Trad#Post896687 I'd like to limit Don to a single thread at a time on the same subject. Of course, I don't work here, I only play here. Now.... who wants to help me drink that beer?

Look out your window.

amazing picture!

What we need now is a link to a story that discusses someone else's opinion about someone else's opinion!

we already had this discussion. more than once. no one has changed their mind. So my contribution is to ask all of you to consider this in the context of the universe. Here's a pic of the sun to further that.

Here's one then.

POST THE WHOLE THING JOHN. Spare the rod, spoil the child they say. But no need to smack a child...

I wasn't going to answer this. I am open to bikini pictures though. As long as it's not a dude...that's not right. I'm serious here. Don't think this is just another glib reply. I came back from a funeral recently of a young man ....Saturday. He stopped to help folks in a traffic accident. A truck stuck and killed him. Good guy. The clock ticks for us all. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE! http://www.kgw.com/home/Service-held-for-Samaritan-killed-in-Hwy-47-wreck-83175887.html http://www.kgw.com/home/Good-Samaritan-killed-helping-victims-in-Forest-Grove-accident-82396457.html