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Civil rights and liberties taken away under Bush posse comitatus Habeas Corpus warrant-less wiretapping (right to privacy) right to keep and bear arms you repugs on here need to WAKE THE FUCK UP the corporate repugs don't give a damn about you, they'll take your guns anytime they want New Orleans Katrina gun grab [video:youtube]

"different ways to look at things." How do you "look at" bush's statements that I posted? Remember these are mostly off the cuff, unscripted and no tele-prompter. If you had no idea who said these things, how would you rate that persons intelligence?

"I was merely pointing out that grad status has little to do with success." And I'm saying it can go either way. Poor performance in school generally indicates below average and excellent perf above. Of course there are exceptions. "Look at Lee as you pointed out. Where did he finish again? #2. And how did his position end up?" That doesn't mean he wasn't fully competent and didn't do his job very well. He was fighting a loosing war for a variety of reasons. Einstein couldn't have won it. Sheesh blame it all on one person. ""You cant really think that everyone that disagrees with you is void of intellect/ education."" not intellect but clearly education if you think bush is above average. bush is a product of Madison avenue, AND YOU BOUGHT IT.

Nope. That's not even close to what he said. Dumbass. Actually, that was precisely what he said you loud mouthed fuck. Entirely out of context ""Also, I am pretty sure you wouldn't talk like you do in real life, so why don't you tone it down? Anything I say on here, I will say to your face. Please do me the same courtesy."" ROTFLMAO!!!!! IN THE VERY NEXT POST!!!!! HYPOCRIT!!!!!!!! I never made any kind of personal attack on you so I don't know what you're talking about. My points are valid, you have ZERO counter to the majority of them, so then you try to insinuate I'm attacking you personally. McCain and Palin are outclassed, you could just tell by the way McCain was acting in the last debate, he knows he's beat.

Ummm... John was forced to take public funds because there was no way he was going to get more than the cutoff amount of donations. Obama is so popular that he easily made more than the cutoff. Obama is turning down tax money, which you deceivingly call "public funds", and going on individual donations. You guys want government out of things until it runs against your candidate then the whining begins. And the majority of Obama's donations are individuals under $100, not pacs or corps like McCain. And Obama never specifically said he would definitely take the public tax funds. Obama is kicking McCain ASS and getting more donations because he's more popular. SUCK ON IT REPUGS.

why pick stupid one corp rupug owners know stupid makes best puppet

Oh really? A ninety-one page book of bushboy gaffes?

I knew you really didn't want to know, it's not pretty after all I'm more or less just an observer on usenet, it's gotten quite ugly lately. "Why do the repugs always go with the stupid ones? Because their corporate owners know they make better puppets." now if we can get one of the talented individuals on here to haiku this LOL!

Yes she is above average for a Caribou Barbi!!! Actually on an intellectual standpoint, bush with a skirt and lipstick. She's had so much less time than bush to accumulate ignorant statements but in spite of that she's doing pretty well. 1. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008 (Watch video clip) 2. "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip) 3. "Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip) 4. "All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years." --Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip) 5. "They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008 6. "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." –Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008 (Watch video clip) 7. "I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you." --Sarah Palin, asked by Katie Couric to cite specific examples of how John McCain has pushed for more regulation in his 26 years in the Senate, CBS interview, Sept. 24, 2008 (Watch video clip) 8. "That's exactly what we're going to do in a Palin and McCain administration." --Sarah Palin, elevating herself to the top of the ticket, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sept. 18, 2008 (Watch video clip) 9. "I told the Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere." –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it 10. "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council

What's wrong Fairweather? Stooping to the crude name-calling? I thought you asked me to avoid the personal attack and assumed you would do the same? When I said "forums"(plural) I was talking the internet in it's entirety. If you're curious, which I sort of doubt, go to Google groups and search the word. like alt.politics.bush or alt.fan.rush-limbaugh. Try Google vid also, or YouTube and AOL political and read the comments sections. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

Well the jet thing is another point demonstrating the typical bush/McCain incompetence and privilege. How many regular pilots would be allowed to keep their wings in the Navy with that many broad daylight crashes? Let's see Robert E. Lee was second in his class. Grant the Butcher 21st out of 39 Patton 46th out of 109 Eisenhower upper half all of these could at least be arguably average, especially considering the small numbers in the classes. BTW, thanks Hugh for doing my work for me. McCain 5th out of 899. You guys really want to argue this is even "average" much less "above"?

ROTFLMFAO!!! the intelligence isn't questioned, it's statement of fact, in the bush-boy's case by example of direct quotes. How exactly are you going to "debunk" historical quotes Akhalteke? Seriously some of these mistakes are like a 4th grade level. You can really tell in his speeches when they keep them at about that 4th grade level he does fine, when you go above it that's when he gets into trouble, even with a teleprompter. And off the cuff on anything substantial, forget it. It's not only lack of knowledge, it's downright stupidity. Civics: He doesn't even know the definition of the branch of government that poppie's money and name bought him. "I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute them." "The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law." "You see, the Senate wants to take away some of the powers of the administrative branch." When did you first learn Akhalteke that social security was part of the federal government? I think with me it was about 14 or 15 yo. Imagine not knowing until you were in your mid 40's. Imagine being governor of a state or president and not knowing that? "They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some kind of federal program." geography "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." grammar(humorously most often when discussing education issues!) "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" "Reading is the basics for all learning." "Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling." vocabulary: "They misunderestimated me." "office of strategery" "We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.'' lack of reading: "One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." "Bill wrote a book at Yale. I read one." "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." general base stupidity: "We thought we were protected forever from trade policy or terrorist attacks because oceans protected us." "I think we agree, the past is over." "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." A formal education can't hurt although it doesn't gurantee success, but intelligence has everything to do with being an effective and successful leader. We have 8 years of proof about what an unintelligent leader can mean. It's funny Akhalteke but I don't remember any of these multiple source quotes ever being refuted or "debunked", you can be the first if you'd like.

Would you tell me where Patton and Grant graduated? How about Lee? I suppose you were going somewhere with this. Would you like to expound? LOL, you really want to compare Patton to McCain? from wiki-p "Education: Patton attended Virginia Military Institute for one year, where he rushed VMI's chapter of the Kappa Alpha Order. He then transferred to the United States Military Academy. The Academy compelled him to repeat his first "plebe" year after doing poorly in mathematics. He repeated his plebe year with honors, and was appointed Cadet Adjutant (the second highest position for a cadet) eventually graduating in 1909 and receiving his commission as a cavalry officer." I'm not saying schooling guarantees success in life, nor that poor schooling guarantees failure, just that it usually means a better chance. And when we look at McCain's later performance all I really see is a repeat of the same bush style purchase of position, because intelligence isn't a requirement for political office.

...and by self-described "liberals" in every instance. that's just flat out wrong dude, please post a link to someone who is a liberal or dem and is using it in a derogatory fashion, not a "descriptive of repugs" fashion as Hugh was. I love the "repugs are racist" argument, it's such an easy win, and the current climate makes it even easier.

this post is so wrong, don't know where to start. Have a feeling this will be an ongoing effort. GW was about our most incompetent "president" ever. He failed every business he was handed by his silver spoon life. The Texas governorship is largely a ceremonial position and yet he managed to leave Texas in the worse shape it had been in decades, economy, crime, pollution, schools. And he did pretty much the same thing at the national level. "being able to hire strong and intelligent people to key posts" this is about the most inaccurate statement of your entire post. I've been directly exposed to cronyism. Bush is/was NOTHING BUT an advocate of the crony appointment. From Brownie to Gonzales and everyone in between, no real experience/intelligence for the position, just stupidity and brown-nosing ass-kissing crooks. It's also about the morals (or lack of) when it comes to leadership. Leaders at these levels don't have as much to do with things directly as they do by projection. If the leader is a corrupt greedy liar then it tends to attract and bring out that in those around him. It's also about intelligence. From any two individuals regardless of experience, if one is a complete idiot and the other highly intelligent, who are you going to pick when it comes to this level? And why pray tell do the repugs always pick the dim bulbs? I think the reason is because the corps that own the repugs lock-stock-and-barrel know that stupid people make better puppets. "the federal government wants to control social security like it's some kind of federal program" and this was AFTER he was selected pres by the supreme court. John McCain graduated 5th from the bottom in a class of 899 and only got into and through flight school because of admiral daddy pulling strings. Any regular person with McCain's performance wouldn't have got even close to a jet. Remind you of anyone, like the dunce that just gave us eight years of ruin? Obama, worked his way up from the bottom, a Magna cum laude doctorate and first black prez of the Harvard Law Revue. Sure he's corrupted just by the fact that he got this far within a corrupt system but he is DEFINITELY the lesser of two evils for a number of reasons, the biggest one being INTELLIGENCE.

All of the owners of the 5 big conglomerates that own the "free" media are repug. It's not free, it's corporate monopoly owned. The only real free media is the internet. How exactly is Obama going to curtail that? Please provide a link. When did Obama say he was going to take your guns? Please provide a link. Is it going to be anything like when bush/cheney's FEMA and Blackwater actually confiscated everyone's guns, including white upscale homeowners, in the aftermath of Katrina?

It's not how you say something Fairweather, it's what you're saying. "slavery" and oppression continued after the Civil war because the bigoted whites didn't give up, they just went underground. And with the first black candidate for prez we can see after about 150 years they STILL haven't given up on their racism and bigotry. During the dozen or so years I've been posting on internet forums I've never seen the N word used in greater numbers or with greater vehemence than with this election cycle.

Some countries that have federal control are kicking our ass. What's the deal with you repugs? Do you think we need more or less control of say the banking sector?

""When the map is complete, I'd like to have at least as early as the 1970s. Any thoughts?"" If you're going that far you might as well go all the way. In the entire climbing history of Rainier there were only 17 deaths prior to 1970. See "The Challenge of Rainier" by Dee Molenaar. Very good info in this book, all incidents located pretty accurately. Another good resource is probably "Accidents in North American Mountaineering" See the mountaineers library for all issues. Most incidents are easy to locate, all you need is a topo map of the routes and the knowledge of what route they were on and the elevation.

The guy worked at Timex R&D, he was wearing a prototype time-shift watch.

Good effort, looks like a tricky project. You need more resolution if you want to place location accurately because of the crowding. Maybe even different resolution break-outs for crowded areas. Maybe the incident with the 11 climbers you could make just one x and have it link to 11 separate links on the sidebar. Many of the locations are way off, maybe get with a climbing ranger. You could get closer just by going off the altitude. ""Kleinschmidt was climbing together with Keeta Owens and Cornelius Beilharz, who both neither survived the climb."" I take it English is not your major, maybe "neither of whom" would work. ""Suffered fatal asthma attack on Emmons Glacier at 9,500 feet."" Is an asthma attack classified as an "accident"? For this thing to be more useful you would want to cover all years. Interesting though, looks like Liberty Ridge has the highest rates by far.

Hey where's the harness and rope, don't you know it's dangerous to free-solo ladders?

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Why, because it didn't jive with your lifelong corporate media propaganda indoctrination? Zeitgeist now has a SEQUEL

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