JoshK

Clearly...it's Suburbanite Darwinism - "As long as my vehicle kills the neighbor's children and not my own"

"Since S.U.V.'s and other heavy vehicles require more room to brake, they need more empty pavement between them and the next car, and they should pay extra for it. " Yes, nobody ever points out the fact that SUVs are a fucking hazard to everybody else. I was nearly smashed by a suburban due to its inability to slow from highway speed in any sort of reasonable distance. The irony of people driving this garbage for their family's "safety" is staggering.

Has this been verified by mountainspeedclimbing.org? Until it has, i dont buy a word of it. It's obvious you two have been bought off!

Definitely get the beta from Wayne. He thought the northern traverse was quite a bit more taxing, albeit technically easier. The loose rock in many places is the hard part because you are constantly on guard and the exposure never relents.

Well, good to see this one fell to shit so quick It does pose an interesting point tho...should two long mileage ridge traverses, one where you are always one rap from reasonable scrambling/walking ground and the other where it is majorly hard to bail from be the same grade? Doesn't seem like it - and it seems most agree. That is why I was more than willing to say the N pickets was a VI - there is almost nowhere on that ridge where it is easy to get off, and even once off the ridge it is extremely difficult to get back to anything remotely resembling safe ground. And, for the final kick in the nuts, you have to get out of the range entirely. I imagine this WA pass traverse is easier to bail from (mike, comment?) but offset by significantly harder technical pitches. Most all, peeps gotta go and repeat all these!

Ha, i was just reading that exact same forecast. Damn. Makes you wonder who the hell settles in a place UNDER SEA LEVEL!!! I can't believe some people are staying and seeking shelter in the superdome, seems like a horrible idea. It's going to be interesting to wake up and see just how much shit hit the fan.

Yup, that is why there are a lot of sterile people in CO. Independence pass, which lies between Aspen and the east slopes is just over 12k. Climb safe, and watch those testicles.

Damn, I didn't realize you started that close to the mountian...

Man, I gave you the medicinal beta!!

Yeah, the Manning and Spring's books are seriously critical. It is tiring to read. There is a difference between fighting bullshit like sno-mos and ATVs and fighting bikes. I understand limiting bikes on the high-impact alpine areas, but they should be allowed on more non-wilderness trails, imho.

SWEEET!!! Man, do you have full size copies of those pictures I could get from you to splice together into a mega-panorama?? Both times we have been up there it has been far to cloudy to get that view of the entire traverse from luna col. I assume you took that from luna col at least? -josh

Dru throws down the respect occasionally. I'm pretty sure glassgowanger will have plenty of reasons why you are a huge pussy tho. wow fuckface- don't put your words into my mouth. i think the grade VI is legit. this is not only commitment grade, but also over all effort used to do a climb. you can bail off the nose on elcap any time- the rap stations are all fixed. so according to you it should be a grade IV or V, since a competent party can do it easly in a day? there are plenty of places to bail from Mike's climb, but i am sure there are pleenty of spots, where bailing would be a serious matter. and this grade is for sure more about energy expended then anything else. I was not referring to your take on the grade, but rather your angry insulting of everybody for not climbing like you, or how you think everybody should climb. In any event, sorry to jack Mike's thread.

Dru throws down the respect occasionally. I'm pretty sure glassgowanger will have plenty of reasons why you are a huge pussy tho. I look forward to when I (hopefully) get some real technical rock skillz. This looks like something I would really want to do. Have you guys figured out if any of the individual climbs up the "major" towers are FAs?

I was spouting shit obviously. Hopefully I'll be doing the whole crestone group some time in the next few weekends.

Nothing like the challenge of the Colorado 14ers. 54 peaks you can climb without using hands.

Amen, bro. Wow, we have a new candidate for stupidest thread of the year. SPEED HIKING!!! hahahahaha...lame.

Initial expectations always have a huge bearing on one's perception of a route I have found. For example, given two equal climbs - the one I expected to have no problem with but got my ass kicked seems harder in memory than the one I expected to have lots of trouble with but didn't. I think the same thing goes for expectations on quality of the route, etc. My 2 cents.

Sweet job, guys. Who cares what they are bitching about. That ridge is a beauty! And I agree with what Mike said...if you don't agree with his grading, go repeat it! I'd love somebody to go downgrade the N pickets traverse too while they are at it!

I assume this is a joke, or did peter puget steal your account? The Euro...what a stupid name that is. We should join up with Canada and create the "Americano"

Hey, nobody would like to see the "english" measurement system die more than I would!

The only thing the republican party of today has to do with the republican party of Nixon's era is sleazy, underhanded tactics. It is amazing how that party has been hijacked by people like bush, frist, hastert, santorum, etc...

Too bad the stupid Euros couldn't even get theres onto the planet's surface intact!!! HA!

What a fucking stupid name. Discuss!!

MisterE, are you a representitive of UNCAGE THE MOTHERFUCKING SOUL, BRAH!!! or possibly Howwit Mountaineering, Inc?