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8b = .13d

got me...damn, and i make a point of surfing all day at work too...

Dude...you crack me up...there is no "morals or ethics" in an activity like climbing...shit, grow up...its fucking recreational activity...this is like arguing snowboarding vs. skiing or angling vs. flyfishing...are you 12? Wait, prolly not 12...can't campus can you?? Why don't you worry about a war, or torture, or women's rights or sumpin' real...its a flicking piece of rock, for crissakes...

Yah...but what flavor, Mr. Butterfinger?? Question, is it hard to sink a finger lock w/ all that grease on your "appendage"

Hey...someone said Ol dwayner and pope were laffy taffies...you might want to reconsider that statement!!!

oh gosh...you are sooo well informed...

Hell yeah bro... And if you pop a bunch o' them in yo mouth, WOW!!

and then I was like... so mr. COl. VP the discution wasn't just about moving from the gym to the sport, especialy our discution... just becase you don't climb any thig before someone better sets up a route for you first, doesn't mean you have to change the subject of our convers... I outy... Yeah, but what flavor?? Lemon, strawberry, lime, grape, come on...pick sumpin'

Funny, I learned that way - But likewise, I wouldn't recommend it to most folks. To actually take this thread seriously for a moment - Rock climbing was originally considered training for mountaineering, then it became its own sport. Bouldering was originally considered training for rock climbing, then it became its own sport. Even gym climbing - originally solely training - now there are plenty o' folks who have no need to touch real rock. The flaw in yer arguments - Pope, Dwayner, DFA, etc. - is not so much some etherial 'ethical' argument, but the old, hackneyed Ford-versus-Chevy argument of, 'Well, they don't specialize in the same thing that I specialize in, so they are somehow devoid of some sort of moral fiber which I am emminently imbued with." Or more typically - "I'm not very good at/have little knowledge in a particular specialty of our sport outside of my own little balkanized realm." Fortunately some of our number are better at hiding it behind a veneer of humor and self-depreciation than others. I ain't gonna do some 'Can't we all just get along?' shit here, but just point out the hypocrisy of it all - Try a 5.11 gear line without any face climbing skills. Try next season's sport project without some friction foot smearing or that critical finger lock/jam in that pocket. Try anything out of sequence. And be 20 feet above a bomber nut, a 3/8 inch bolt, or an ankle breaker landing and don't shake. Wake me up when something new is said. Yeah, but what flavor sweet tart do you like?? This is the crux of the issue...

Yeah...saw that this morning...goddamn...that's about like walkin' up to fish or white wedding and starting off w/o a rope...holy shit!!

Yeah...and stuff gets caught between your teeth!!!

My favorites!! Just another reason to sportclimb...

Those are the ones that complicate the gym and sport climbing issues of communication and belaying your buddy...Real Challenges, they are!!!

Yeah, this kid's special...He's been homeschooled and is really just a good kid...Not a mean streak anywhere... Talkin' to him, you'd never know he's won nationals or placed in the top 5 every year since he was 12. Or competed internationally, or gone to Font and climbed V10 in a handful of tries or placed third in international speed comps or flashes .13's or is a top notch swimmer... he's real softspoken and just gives it his all every time...

butterfinger Oh that's too delicious!! S W E E T!! I was gonna say Almond Joy cuz they always climb w/ their nutz!! But they kinda act nutless in the gym, so maybe Mounds?

Ok then, riddle me this...What would you call Pope and/or Dwayner in candy-speak??

ok...how 'bout Oompa-Loompas or Sweet Tarts or something else???? What are you, some candy-trivia dweeb???

Ahhh PP I'm with you there...my main climbing partner is this soon to be sixteen year old punkass kid...I struggle up something, figuring "oh, at least ten tries and that MIGHT go down" and he flashes it... To be fair though, he's got a ton o' humility and usually says something like "I got lucky on the match" or "Man, fell into the right sequence on that one"... He's gonna be scary on rock this year since he's dumping comps...

M&Mer's...cuz when you looked over at Rope de Dope, it looked like spilled a bag of m&m candies all over the place, due to their shiny red, blue and other colored helmets!!

hey... Have you heard the old skool smiff rock nickname for the mazamas/mountaineers???

HAHAHAHAH...they prolly just walked in w/ half of their rack clipped on their pack to demonstrate their climbing prowess...

Dwayner said: "Sport-climbing gear issues: difficult decisions required in deciding whether to clip the bolt at your knees, the one in front of your nose, or the one alongside the nearby crack. Gym-climbing issue: confronting the fact that climbing a "5.11" your first week in a gym does not mean you are a "5.11" climber anywhere. Sport-climbing issue: accepting the revelation that hang-dogging and rehearsing your way up a 5.13 sport route doesn't make you a 5.10 trad-master. Gym issue: looking around the room to try and figure out which post-modern pretender is assigning the idiotic names to the ephemeral taped routes. Sport-issue: wondering which post-modern pretender thought they were poetic with the idiotic route name assigned to a line of 5 bolts. Gym Climbing Issue: being afraid to climb outdoors...it might be cold and such. Sport Climbing Issue: climbing with gym rats whose limited skills include belaying from a gri-gri tethered to a floor chain. - Dwayner " Gym issue: Having to deal w/ the absolute splitting pain in one's abdomen after laughing so hard at so-called "trad-meisters NOT DWAYNER,DON'T WANT TO HURT HIS FEELINGS " (this one's for you, ) trying a V0- sit start ...and then listening to them mumbling about "some wicked hard beasty 5.8 moss covered pile of shit 5star classic with a 6 mile approach that those damned sport climbing weenies would shit purple twinkies on..." followed by the spew of "back in the old days when climbers climbed REAL rock after hiking through mosquito-infested swamps in stifling heat w/ wicked snowdrifts and avalanches, and it was uphill both directions!!" All to cover up the fact that the eleven year old kid just kicked 'em in the shorts hard by campusing that "silly little problem"... BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Yeah...but they feel much softer than 5.10 slab climbing anywhere else in the world (like stone mountain, great falls, yosemite, etc.)...DUH!! As far as that goes, they don't feel any worse than smiff 10's...which, by the way, aren't true slab climbs, now are they?? They are more face routes than friction climbing, so why the comparison? Of course, if you've never climbed friction b4, its gonna feel insecure...most people take to face climbing better than friction climbing at first... its more natural...BUT it doesn't mean that the ratings are softer or harder...

mid 10 slabs at squamish feel like mid 10 slabs...what's your point??

They do matter if you're trying to gauge what you should jump on the 1st time you arrive at a destination...