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Gotta agree here...Ramuta is where its at...Dave Page? Ha, might as well go to Michelin...if he does the work, its only ok...if one of his "helpers" does it, throw them in the trash can...ruined two pairs of shoes of mine...i will never go back there... GO TO RAMUTA if you want them done right and cheap...

Got cut , pounded , smashed, cooked , baked , fried , humbled and awe-inspired all at once!!! Jdog was on a sending spree... Met a lot of really cool climbers and have a name for a new route...The DAWG'S BOLLOCKS! Basically, the classic 5.10-tour...couldn't be beat and am counting the days until i go back...

ahhh...good ol' IDF... My roomate trained hard in that...wouldn't ever mess w/ that guy, period...

Bug...that is weak...of course if you deliberately insert yourself into a sketchy situation, come prepared... IE, don't head up an rp seam w/ gold camalots...

Well, gotta second that one...west virginia freakin' ROX!!!

No no no Peter...its mono and two finger pockets...sheeesh...

Have a good one, greg

Not yet...but soon we will be moving on to politics and then religion and then bolting...wanna come along??

I'm at you!

Once again greg, you've extrapolated what i've said to the extreme... Tell you what i'll play that game...why doesn't the government, just hand every 18 year old a rifle and pistol when they register...fuck the screening, hell any crimes they did pre 18 are expunged, so it wouldn't show on their records anyway...so let's all start off fresh and armed...sounds good to me... and yeah...i do think there are a lot of dumb assholes out there...for that matter i might just be one of them...

Minx:

You know Greg, the original intent of our forefathers was that only WHITE males could vote, not females or blacks...Going back to these documents as unchangeable is laughable to me...they couldn't have possibly foreseen EVERYTHING in our future... It is your opinion that the background check is sufficient, just like it is mine that it is not. Most of the accidents and crimes with guns out there (and i can dig for statistics, or not) are by legally purchased guns...so obviously, there is a systemic flaw. Should a Hinkley have had a psychological review? What do you think? You think its ok??? Regarding acting rational: YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS GETTING EMOTIONAL about this issue...i have refrained from super foul (a few f-bombs) language and personal attacks...I have stated that i owned guns, have shot them and see nothing wrong w/ gun ownership...I have also stated that i do not believe that everyone should be entitled to own one...You are right...those are my opinions...and i stand by them...I have arrived at my thoughts on this after much reflection and have withdrawn my support for the NRA...say what you will, but you come across as a raving maniac on this issue and appear to be the one who has had an emotional chord struck... As far as i'm concerned the general public does not have the respect due to firearms and should not be entitled to them...

"also while you are busy researching feel free to help me out by letting me know how the libs are removing my rights in an equivilant manner to patriot act 1 and 2."

Greg...i said a SERIOUS background check...one week...bfd...I don't believe that the background checks are sufficient... Why am i talking out of my ass regarding the bill of rights? I DON'T CARE WHAT IT SAYS, i think gun ownership should not be a right, period... Why don't you 'splain to me where i said something that is factually wrong???????? Go ahead, quote me... and chill the fuck out greg..."You make me fucking sick"???? I'm trying to have a rational talk about something and it makes you sick??? Get a grip...i never said no gun ownership...

But my common sense tells me to buy a tank. Your common sense doesn't. So whose common sense is right??

Our glorious, dead-letter Constitution states that the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I know this will infuriate you statist heathens with an ax to grind, but 'not infringed' means if you're tall enough to put your money on the counter, you can have a gun. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you anti-gun anal buccaneers. Aside from the absurd "tall enough to put your money on the counter" extrapolation, you still didn't answer the question about how you go from "arms" to "handgun." If you can interpret the word "arms" to mean extend to handguns why can't I also interpret universal healthcare from the right to life? Oh--and just in the interest of full disclosure, I own a handgun. RBW...that is the funny thing isn't it?? I've owned guns most all of my life...and i'm not opposed to gun ownership, per se...but some folks get all hot and bothered if you try to regulate it...

I didn't tell anyone what they should do - just asked the question. An your answer seems to imply that you think you need to protect yourself - from what exactly? Jim...in short he needs to defend himself against whackos who legally purchased their semi auto handguns...quite a conundrum (spelling?), huh?

Our glorious, dead-letter Constitution states that the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I know this will infuriate you statist heathens with an ax to grind, but 'not infringed' means if you're tall enough to put your money on the counter, you can have a gun. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you anti-gun anal buccaneers. anti-gun? Chill dude...that's like saying we are anti-car...why don't we just extend the analogy a bit and everyone go run down to WalArms and buy the new readily available mini-Hbomb, or just some c4 and some claymors...you know, gotta have the latest in home defense, eh? I'm only maintaining that they should be licensed and restricted to people that are qualified to own them...

Greg...if you've been keeping abreast of the news you will have noted that a prison inmate was granted a sex change based on his civil rights...which i think is a fuking joke...it was under the part about cruel and unusual punishment and the fact that prison was preventing him from becoming her true self...gimme a break... I don't care how that bill of rights is worded...i still maintain that owning a gun in today's civilized world is a PRIVILEGE and can be monitored/regulated/ and control...it is completely beyond me, how any person, w/o any SERIOUS background checks, no proper education or training, can walk into a walmart and buy a 9mm semiauto pistol and all the ammunition he/she can put in a backpack...its completely fucking assinine... So somebody whining to me about their godgiven "right" really frosts my hide, when chances are someone this evening will be shot and a good percentage of the responses will be something along the lines of: "I didn't know it was loaded" "I didn't think my son could find it" blah blah blah Just so you know, i grew up hunting w/ rifles and shotguns and bows, so i'm not talking out of my ass...I don't think "everyone" should be able to own a gun, period.

I know what "it" says Its comical cuz some "rights" he gets to keep, like rights to medical care (sex changes, other bullshit), and others he loses... so, i actually think that some of the spelled-out "rights" are real, others are privileges, regardless of how you "spell" it...

Jim...cuz we all are scared down here...

Greg you got your threads mixed up. This one goes in the FEAR thread. Dru...buzz off...this is the USA down here...you canadians don't know squat bout owning guns...tallyhoo...

Then he shouldn't be armed!!!!

and greg...i said "maintain a stance"...that implies an opinion, not a fact. So don't label me as misleading... None of us were in that room of in the authors' heads at the time...

Yes, Greg i'm saying it is a privilege to defend yourself w/ a gun...keep your nose clean legally, so you don't lose the privilege of defending yourself/family w/ a gun...otherwise it'll have to be w/ a baseball bat. A convicted felon never loses his right to free speech. he is free to send letters to the press, blah blah blah...he does however lose his privilege of gun ownership... another example: if you are mentally unstable, you shouldn't be armed. and i can point you to just as many interpretations that show that clause to enable the young country to maintain a defense. This is the 21st century.