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Meanwhile, on the other side of the planet, GW was snortin' coke, missing duty in the Guard, and partying his arse off...Real upstanding young'in, he was!

ok jja... let's go into iran, syria, lebanon, saudi arabia, pakistan, any-stan, etc. and go get 'em... That is a stupid logic...

Nope...too much climbing is not good for the sex-life!

silly boy...cuz when he makes a decision based on HIS religion, it impacts me and the practice of MY religion...DUH as in its against my principles, morals, ethics and my religious beliefs to needlessly subject our citizens and other people to a stupidass war for his gain...

Whatever...i see red when bush gets brought up... You see red whenever you pull the tampon out of your cooch, there, skipper. and you, sir, can go blow a goat!

You may be mistaken here. Let me throw this out there: the First Amendment guarantees against the Federal Government establishing a "national religion" (i.e., Anglican Church in G.B., Catholicism in Argentina, etc.). All this implies is freedom to worship as one chooses. You seem to be inferring that this means that citizens in positions of government cannot utilize their set or morals and standards to make decisions about policy. This is all we are talking about. We each have a belief system (whether that means you believe in God or choose not to believe in God) that we call upon when we make difficult decisions. What it appears you are trying to do is impede an American citizen from exercising his rights as guaranteed under the First Amendment to worship as he chooses simply because of the position he holds. Greg_W Fuck off greg... Great comeback, Rudy. Man, the way you counterpointed me there, shit, what was I to do? You're a fucking debate god! Phew! That was some real next-level brainiac debate-type shit! You trying out for the Olympic Debate Team? 2008? You should. Whatever...i see red when bush gets brought up...

I was addressing your interpretation of the First Amendment or Constitution, not faith or God. You appear all too ready to abandon the tenets upon which this country was founded, and by which our freedoms are secured. Greg...you can continue this pseudo-logic argument until you are out of air...its clear bush wanted this war for his own purposes and it had nothing to do w/ AlQuaeda or an "imminent threat" or WMD...now either he isn't coming clean on the real reasons or he is using his concept of "faith" to justify this war...FACE IT...the reasons he gave INITIALLY have nothing to do with the reality of why he started this war...he flat ass lied to us, flat ass lied...and its american boys and girls that are bleeding for his reasons, which aren't clear to me yet, and iraqi people are bleeding as well. Everytime that asshole opens his pie hole he pisses off 90% of the world... and you know, the funny thing, he has MADE an AlQuada connection because they are there NOW fighting w/ the insurgents...now how about that?????

so true...

You may be mistaken here. Let me throw this out there: the First Amendment guarantees against the Federal Government establishing a "national religion" (i.e., Anglican Church in G.B., Catholicism in Argentina, etc.). All this implies is freedom to worship as one chooses. You seem to be inferring that this means that citizens in positions of government cannot utilize their set or morals and standards to make decisions about policy. This is all we are talking about. We each have a belief system (whether that means you believe in God or choose not to believe in God) that we call upon when we make difficult decisions. What it appears you are trying to do is impede an American citizen from exercising his rights as guaranteed under the First Amendment to worship as he chooses simply because of the position he holds. Greg_W Fuck off greg...i will never support a war for religious purposes, i don't give a shit if the manicured bushes on the front lawn of the white house ignite with holy fire in the middle of a press conference and say its so!! I only wish God would ignite BUSH not a bush...

amen iain!!!!

Logic and reason??? Why that doesn't jive w/ the whole, oh how does the catholic church call it, i forget...what was it? its' coming to me...hold on...that's it...THE MYSTERY OF FAITH...you, nor Bush, can comprehend God's will in this...so don't pull that card on me... You know, Hitler thought he had god on his side...gee, guess what, Mr. binladen thinks god is on his side...gee, so does Mr. Bush...wow, how's about them apples??? Don't preach to me...

Listen...you tell me to do something because YOUR god directs it, i'll respond w/ something as ridiculous as that...ie, "You can go blow a goat, Sir!"

ummm...i said cornerstoneS...as in concepts...government has no right to dictate a private citizens religious preferences...this implies that it shall not make decisions based on religion...

are you kidding????? did i say the word constitution???? Please point that one out to me... and why exactly do i have to subscribe to that joke-fucker's concept of God? Cuz he's the prez? FUCK HIM!!!! WMD--maybe Overthrow a dictator--maybe Divine directive--you can go blow a goat....

Amen to that!! The guy is a phukin' religious fanatical nut...get his ass outta the white house!!! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is one of the cornerstones of our country...who's god told him? his? sure the phuck wasn't mine...coke sniffin', silver spooned bastard!!!

this whole thing is a DUMB argument...sheesh, 5.11 cracks are 5.11, 5.12 cracks are 5.12, 5.11 sport routes are 5.11, 5.12 sport routes are 5.12, etc....different techniques ae all the difference...either you know how or you don't...simple as that... and exit 38 and 32 are incredibly overrated under 5.12 so don't use that as a baseline for comparison...try rifle, or smith, or areas back east...or ceuse, or arco, or buoux, or the frankenjura...

hahahaha...now you see the REAL possiblities of sport climbing and bouldering...you should see the miles of sportbras on a hot, sunny smith day!! Funny thing is, if you want to really crank there, its got to be under 45 degrees!! so obviously, no one's there for the climbin'!

i thought that 12a thing just to the side of daily planet was pretty much on for 12a!! what's it called??? starts off the same ledges as daily planet...sorta grungy at the bottom and then cleans up, and steepens up...not very long???

i don't solo at all anymore...i haven't for a very very long time. I stopped after breaking a hold and falling on a route on lead that i had solo'd the week before... When i was soloing i was one number grade under my consistent onsight level. I would solo stuff onsight, but i was young and very very stupid...

hey...i understand where you are coming from...i get totally nauseaus (spelling) watching someone get in over their head...i can't watch it and don't want to be around it... BUT, its still none of my business...

I have no idea what i'm talking about???? FUCK OFF! Actually, yes, i have been faced with this situation before, both w/ an injury to another and having been on the solo side of it...what's your point??? I TOLD YOU I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND IT, dumbass!...So I leave...Like i said, just leave before something happens so you won't be around it if you feel you must do something...

Gimme a break...most people go climbing to just get away from it...no rules, you set the level of risk, etc. Who are you to tell someone not to solo something...suppose he tied into the rope and stuck only ONE piece in? you gonna start yelling at him to put in a piece every 3 feet so YOU are comfortable? Whatdafuck??? Who are you to tell him/her what he/she should be doing at the cliff???????? Stay at rei or the gym... If you don't want to pick up the pieces then don't...and if you can't not pick them up, then leave...its none of your biz...

gotta disagree...its none of your biz, and if your rope was hanging there for awhile, you're being a route hog... You don't like him soloing around you, then YOU leave... I'll agree that i feel squeamish watching someone else soloing...

you should come up to ww1 sometime so you can get paddled like an angry wittle toddler !